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Someone wrote me privately and said that we'd have to have something like the Berlin Wall, complete with gun emplacements and stony faced guards, to have any practical likelihood of closing our borders. That's a symbol that blatantly contradicts what I feel our country stands for.

If illegals don't do jobs that others would not do, they wouldn't be in the country doing them. We have something like a 5% unemployment rate in this country, which is very low, and yet we have a huge number of illegals here doing work. Therefore, we would have a severe labor shortage if they weren't here. Unless, of course, their very presence creates jobs - and if so, that kills off half your argument, no?

Concerning "everyone breaks the law", that was actually my point. I have heard arguments that say that since illegals are breaking the law by being here, they are just one step from being serial killers. That's literally what Michelle Malkin and others have said! Sorry, guys. I'm not buying that one.

If you read my posting history, you will find that I worked very hard on the protest movment we had in support of Bill Simon. My record of participation in freep events speaks for itself, as do my numerous carefully produced and edited video productions - all in support of a genuinely conservative candidate.

I know of many loyal Republicans who share my views, but they are scared to post them due to the kind of attack of intimidation I have received. Quite frankly, I think this stinks.

What should make you pause is the tone that you and B4Ranch are using in your replies. To you folks, it seems to be very personal. The problem with this is that you'll turn off anyone who isn't already an ardent supporter.

Even if I agreed with every word you've said on this thread, I would have a tough time voting for your candidate due to the attitude you're displaying. Do I want to be associated with a group that replies to civilized, reasonable dissent by all but threatening to bash my head in? By accusing me of being a DU plant?

This is similar to Proposition 187. At first, I thought it was reasonable. Then I started hearing some of the arguments people were using in its support; it was like they were delighting in the idea of stamping illegals out with jackboots. As a result, I voted against 187. Not due to anything it said, but due to the attitude of its supporters.

Bill Simon probably would have won the election if Hispanics hadn't remembered Proposition 187 and voted against Republicans in droves - even though Hispanic political beliefs are a lot closer to Republicans than Democrats!

Mindless attacks such as the ones I've been hearing may be fun, but they are not constructive. I hope you notice how hard I've worked to avoid personal attacks, since I think they are dumb, and I don't think they convince anyone other than the writer.

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Hey, I of all people know what prop 187 did to California -- I've lived my whole life there. To establish my quals, let me tell you all that I am married to a beatiful Mexican woman, so I certainly am not against Mexicans at all. That being said, just take one look at the LA Unified School District and all of its problems teaching children of illegal aliens. I see our infrsatsructure bursting at the seams and my taxes going up. California passed another bond issue to deal with physcal infrastructure AFTER we in LA did Prop BB for that very same purpose.

What Davis did to the republicans can never be overstated, and his divisive race politics were the beginning of the death knoll -- it will take a generation to undo that damage.

That being said, It is not so much a question of illegals not doing jobs others won't do -- it is that they do them for much much less. A guest worker program would address this without having to have us foot the bill for welfare and schooling.

Please don't push the law-breaking argument the OTHER way -- the crime committed is also not as lightweight as jaywalking. We have immigration laws for a reason and it is patently unfair for some to bypass the process in place. My wife went through the entire process legally (and it was rather expensive) and she is a Citizien because she took the classes and learned our laws and our language.

I didn't realize that suggesting you were a DU lurker was an "personal attack." If you take what appears to be a liberal position, then it is not an unreasonable assumption that you are associated with a liberal entity. No such attack was meant, and if it was taken so, I apologize. The fact that you find it an insult is quite a point in your favor!

I appreciate your moderate position on this but something has to be done -- moderates are what keep the problem going.