Making Monkeys Out of Evolutionists

Salt Lake City Tribune ^ | August 28, 2002 | Cal Thomas

[Z.Hobbs]

I think you should read the article a few more times.

Cal Thomas is making no claim to be presenting evidence for evolution. He is making the point that the evolutionist lobby is engaging in misleading propaganda when they claim that real scientists all believe in evolution.

If Cal Thomas did assert that creationist point of view was correct because "Famous and intelligent" people believed it, your analogy still would be wrong. It would be like arguing that the Denver Broncos suck as a football team because thousands of famous and intelligent local fans think so. Forget the goofy BMW thing.

Still thousands of famous and intelligent fans can be wrong. All Cal Thomas is arguing for is letting the detractors of evolution have the freedom to express the evidence for their position.

You could benefit by a course in logic. This is also the point where evolutionary theory breaks down as noted by law professor Philip Johnson in "Darwin on Trial" etc.

[r9etb]

Arguably, a deity with sufficient knowledge and power would know exactly what is required to convince me and would be able to do so.

Or, if He gave you free will, he would give you the opportunity to open the door when He knocked.

All I can say is that, based on personal experience, He does knock.

[jim35]

Why do you think the job wasn't done right? Just because you would have done it differently, means exactly squat. God must think of the big picture, and His reasons cannot be quantified by those of limited existence. How do you know that He wasn't thinking of some perfectly excellent reason for making us have certain faults in our physical makeup? If we were all physically perfect, mankind would be a completely different species.

[narby]

Name a single eye witness to the "evolutionary" beginning of the universe.

Name an eye witness to creation.

My Old Testament history class at Oklahoma Baptist University taught me that the two different creation stories (yes, there are two, ready Genesis chaps 1 and 2) were given to Man by divine inspiration.

Since when can people have a clear understanding of what God is saying to them? If that were so, then why aren't all Christians in the same denomination? Are we saved by grace, or is it works?

Humans can never completly understand God. So I conclude that the two different creation stories in the Bible cannot possibly precise "fact". They are imperfect interpretations by humans of what God told them.

[A2J]

So how did God do it? Just snap His fingers and the molecules of Man instantly appeared in place? Or did He make Man out of some matter that He already had at hand?

Like a pre-human perhaps?

According to the Bible, God made man out of the dust of the earth.

By the way, the "monkey" thing is a derrogatory item thrown about by people who don't understand Evolution. Both "monkeys" and man evolved from a common species that died out millions of years ago. Man DID NOT evolve from monkeys.

And what evidence do you have for such a statement? Are there any written documentation that says so? Darwin's only been dead for over a century or so.

[Dimensio]

Well, if He does knock and He is capable, then He will let me know when He wants me to know. Until then I have no more reason to believe that He exists than I do Zeus or Odin.

[moneyrunner]

”Gravitational theory…”

Please don’t dig the hole you have made any deeper. You will stay after school and write on the blackboard “The Law of Gravity” 100 times.

[jim35]

The idea is only preposterous when viewed from a limited point of view. This idea doesn't disqualify medved from having a logical point in anything else.

[Poohbah]

For those of you who want rational scientific evidence check them out. Most of the stuff they have went totally over my head

In other words, you admit that you are unqualified to determine the factual accuracy of the content, but it sure sounded scientific to you.

I run into the same response when a vendor comes to management with a gee-whiz PowerPoint presentation about the latest buzzword in the IT industry. Management thinks that the vendor has somehow "proven" their technology; us worker-bees then have to go in and correct their impression, using language that can be understood by idiots and education majors.

[A2J]

"Mind" is another term for conscious.

And what are you concious of? Does your consciousness entertain the thought that there is more to creation than meets the eye?

[FourtySeven]

This explains why the debate is so very heated -- it's not a scientific argument at all, on either side.

bttt....this is worth repeating.

[dubyagee]

So how did God do it? Just snap His fingers and the molecules of Man instantly appeared in place? Or did He make Man out of some matter that He already had at hand?

Because he has more scientific knowledge than do, or can ever hope to. If he 'created' science, it stands to reason he is much further advanced than we are. 8 * )

[r9etb]

I think the proof of a supreme being lies in the every-day wonders which surround us.

Alas, that's not "proof" in any scientific sense, because it's not God, but merely the work of God. We can acknowledge it as being (somehow) the work of God only after we acknowledge that shout of "I AM" for what it really is.

[js1138]

I think the proof of a supreme being lies in the every-day wonders which surround us. We see the proof everywhere we look, and can feel the life within us that didn't simply spring up out of nothingness. Life itself is proof of God.

I'm ok with this as long as it sticks to generalities, but when some makes the leap from "sense of wonder" to "Genesis is literal history", I can't follow that path. Religious texts are graven images, as surely as idols of gold.

Belief should be the servant of truth, not its master.

[r9etb]

Cite:

Read Dawkins.

[dubyagee]

Are we saved by grace, or is it works?

By neither, but a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Denominations are not 'Christian', some of the individuals within them are.

[jim35]

Sounds to me like you are a creationist, then. Creationism doesn't necessarily rely on the Christian belief in God, so I guess you sort of qualify. But don't go looking for tax-exempt status any time soon.

[r9etb]

He will let me know when He wants me to know.

Trust me: He will.

Maybe he is even now. If my own experience is any guide, you'll know it by how hard you have to work to avoid answering the door.