Posted on 06/10/2002 4:35:38 AM PDT by Pern
Have you moved out of the house then? On your own, paying your own bills, making your way in the world like an adult?If not, then I expect your parents DO have quite a say in what you do.It's amazing how every teenager thinks they are so wordly and mature, more hip than the generation before them ;-)
They have and we are. Can't control a free man or woman or an INNOCENT man or woman. We are ALL lawbreakers, thus criminals, in the eyes of the omnipotent State. We, most of us, just haven't been arrested yet.
Yep, thanks for your concern. Merry Christmas.
I don't think having sex will cure your loneliness - and it will quite likely make you feel worse - when you realize that people have engaged you for sex, but not for YOU. Try finding a partner in life, whom you truly love, and with whom you can share everything.
When it trickles down to my impressionable kids, it has trickled way too far.
Many parents really don't care as long as their kid doesn't cause them any real problems. Then, there are parents who have no morals of their own to impart to their kids. Then, there are the self-centered kids who think they know everything who might just end up suing their own parents. These kids need to be kicked out of the house. Just imagine a kid living in the parent's home and saying the parents have no say in their life. Something is definitely wrong in this picture.
The kids are so self-centered, they can barely live with themself, much less with a live-in partner. They can only make half of their marriages work when they do decide to stop shacking up and get married.
Oh, I'm not even seriously entertaining the idea of "playing the field." That would require the active cooperation of at least one member of the other major gender, and I'm... comfortable with celibacy. I mean strict celibacy, too, not just sexlessness. It has its advantages, in a greater amount of disposable income, for one. ;-) For another, I can spend time taking care of my parents. So, I'm arguing this not to defend promiscuity, but rather more as a devil's advocate, with the thoughts I have fought myself.
One issue is attractiveness. Even a random act of sex requires said active cooperation, and that in itself is some validation of my worth. Being frank, being attractive to other humans is a nice thing. It makes us feel good when we know we're wanted. Even if it is only for a short while...
Of course, after the disgust subsides, the emptiness must be filled, and that's usually with another short-term relationship. So, once one's started down that road, it's difficult to get off it; finding something other than a short-term sexual relationship to fill one's soul rapidly is a challenge.
The other question is related; if everybody else is having it, why can't I? Forming that question leads to serious questions of one's own worth, as noted above.
Thanks for this discussion.
Nam Vet
Best reply after 313 of them. "...unless he really cares about you."
Nam Vet
Exactly, my friend. I was going to reply with some of my personal experiences about love, life, sex, morality and killing people in war, but then I remembered two things.
1. The original thread is about sex and middle-schoolers
2. This 17 year old knows more truths about life than I do after these experiences and 55 years of life.
Take care Bud.
Nam Vet
Nam Vet
But oral sex isn't the true Klintler legacy; the true klintler legacy is TCD Syndrome.
Legacies come in many forms. Take Lou Gehrig for instance; Gehrig was one of the all-time great baseball players, and is yet chiefly remembered for having a heretofore unrecognized disease named after him. The same may ultimately hold true of Slick.
There are several inherent problems with trying to set the numeric records ala Don Giovanni and make it with literally hundreds of different women over a course of a few years. One is that the first thing which goes straight out the window is any notion of quality; you'll see these guys come home with Marilyn Monroe one night, and then Aunt Jemima (or something like Monica Lewinski which looks like the centerfold of some livestock journal) the next, with the same stupid shit-eating grin on their faces, since it's all really just the same to them.
Another problem in the case of politicians is that they make prime targets for blackmail and manipulation of themselves by conducting themselves like that. Slick couldn't get the simplest kind of security clearance which you'd need to be a janitor or a guard at the gate at any military base in America, and he's supposed to be commander in chief of our armed forces. That's insane. Another problem in the case of liberals particularly, is that it appears to be a vanishingly small step from believing oneself above man's laws to believing oneself above things like the laws of physics and the law of averages. For instance, thinking "I'm a Kennedy; there's no reason on Earth why I shouldn't be able to ski downhill, operate a camcorder, and play football all at the same time, the trees will get out of the way!" Or, in the case of Slick, thinking he could put the make on 50 different women in one day and that all 50 would be happy about it.
Something like that could lead to a psychic problem with taking "no" for an answer and, if we're to believe even a small fraction of what we read, it has. The claim which you read around the net is that the Paula Jones testimony includes something like a dozen different allegations of sexual assault and rape, that Slick has been out of control for a long time, and that a professional organization has been in place to keep a lid on this by means of bribery, intimidation, and whatever else gets the job done, and that this has invariably worked because, in each individual case, you had some poor woman on her own without any real resources up against an organization with the resources of one of the fifty states.
And then there's the problem of VD. Matt Drudge reported (11/2/98) that:
"White House intern Monica Lewinsky told Linda Tripp that President Clinton would cancel dates with her when he was flared with blisters, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned from multiple sources in and out of government..."
Ouch!!! But, bad as herpes or whatever that is might be, TCD syndrome is a lot worse (e.g. http://www.nypost.com/102798/news/5800.htm):
"...The documents also include Jones' description of Clinton's distinguishing characteristic.
'His penis_ was ... crooked and gross. You know. That was the word she used, Jones' sister Lydia Cathey said in a deposition...
My own judgement is that that sort of thing does not come from microorganisms or viruses, but rather from close encounters with doors (in this case, probably a limo door and some chick who, like Paula, didn't want to hear about it), i.e.
Kiss it?? %### YOU, you STINKING PERVERT!!!!
SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMM!!!!!!!!
and hence the designation TCD (Tallywhacker Caught in Door) syndrome. As a child I had a cat with feline TCD (Tail Caught in Door) syndrome, and hence recognize the symptom.
And thus we come to the question of Slick's legacy, aside from being the only elected president ever to be impeached in the 200+ year history of the republic. As in the case of Gehrig, I suspect that Clinton's chief legacy will be having a new disease named after him, and that TCD syndrome will come to be known as "Slick Clinton's Disease".
if you dont own your consiousness WHO does?
Issac Asimov put it best. Private vices are all right so long as they are just that: private. However at the moment they aren't. I have to pay for the police to clear the junkie off my yard. If I lived in Liverpool, I'd have to pay for his heroin; elsewhere I pay for his methodone. Libertarians have it backwards, remove the apparatus of state socialism before you start allowing people to get whacked on blow - because otherwise private vice is a public expense and as someone who is sober and works, I'm doing the paying.
Ivan
Libertarians. Read your Burke for God's sake, the second part of that goes - "Men of intemperate minds cannot be free, their passions form their fetters". In other words, people apportion liberty unto themselves.
Of course with legalisation and an increase of consumption of illegal narcotics, you lot would create every leftie's wet dream, a class of people who cannot take care of themselves. They'll be arguing for a methodone in schools programme and retirement homes for junkies. Don't laugh. The retirement home actually exists in the Netherlands.
Ivan
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