Posted on 06/10/2002 4:35:38 AM PDT by Pern
I wonder how many of the guys with all the moral underpinning married a girl who wasn't a virgin.
If memory serves, Washington and Jefferson were two of them. Both married widows.
Not sure what the first 5 words are supposed to form...anyway. Am I a minnow? I think this is a very simple debate. I don't care who others sleep with as long as it doesn't affect me. Conservatives think otherwise because they want to run others lives for them. Good luck. It won't work. I believe it is the parents job to teach their children what they want them to believe. Much of the time, a child will come to disagree with a parent and form their own life philosophy.
Should 12 year-olds be engaging in sex? No. From an biological point of view, the bodies of many a twelve year old cannot handle childbirth nor are their emotions developed enough to handle such activity. It's all fun and games at that time.
It doesn't matter. The school shouldn't be teaching kids anything other than science, math, literature, history, and grammar.
Because she put herself in danger. She was my friend and asked my opinion.
Oral sex CAN give you STD's. I only wish the kids knew that. In our article we tried to get them to understand that.
I have graduated this year, but I am very proud of the journalism I did while on the paper. Sometimes our editorials were liberal, sometimes they were conservative (of course my columns were always conservative). But, in every case, we tried to get people to think and that is what matters. I am glad I will get to continue this in college.
Let me clarify. I'm not including anything that defiles another one's spirit. I'm talking about what occurs between a husband and a wife.
There is no sex manual in the Bible; and there are FEW things we are told are wrong pertaining to sex within the bounds of marriage. Various ministers/priests may state that one act or another is sinful in marriage, but those acts (specifically oral sex and masturbation) are NOT condemned in the Bible. We have a differing view point because your perspective is from the Roman Catholic Church whereas mine is from the Bible.
The sin comes into the picture when our minds use another person outside of the marriage as a part of the activity (fantasizing about another while making love to the spouse). Also, any act that totally replaces intercourse (ex: completion of the act without intercourse as in oral sex) OR causes one partner or the other to be mentally separated from the other (I would use pornography as an example) OR becomes the only method of pleasure, thereby avoiding God's purpose, would be unacceptable.
What does childbirth have to do with it? I thought that's what condoms were there to prevent.
As far as emotional maturity is concerned, you're still engaging in special pleading. What makes a 17-year-old "mature enough" and a 12-year-old not "mature enough". Lemme guess: the fact that you're 17, right?
Call me back when you're 27 and tell me you haven't matured a whole lot, emotionally, in those intervening 10 years.
You are a little too wound up in your rhetoric. As with many things, some are and some aren't. All kids that start off with a wild streak do not end up in the bargain basement.
Don't worry about that. While I disagree with your posts, you have at least tried to remain civil, which is a lot more I can say of your buddy you flagged, from his other threads.
At least you are on a forum which will not immediately ban you, like the DUmpster.
You missed my point. I said AFTER all the playing. If that's what you're doing now, you'll understand what I mean when you're playing plays out.
Being lonely and chaste, and being spiritually empty from sleeping around are two different things IMO.
At the very least, that damn fool will cost me money. Under the present system, I'll have to pay his unemployment benefit because he's too stoned to get work, I'll have to pay for his hospital bills when he gets too whacked to realise his heart ought to beat and his lungs take in oxygen. If he's disorderly and all over the place, I'll have to pay for the police to get the idiot off my doorstep.
If I hear Liberatarians first advocating getting rid of unemployment insurance, "free" medical care, and making drug addicts pay for what they do, then I might consider it. But the Libertarian approach is always legalisation first without considering the consequences it would have.
Of course even if those conditions still did exist, I'd have to pay for the police at the very least. And given how the price of drugs would fall right through the floor, consumption would rise. And given that the deep shame of being a drug user from the 19th century no longer exists, all the constraints would be off. Heroin parties after work for everyone would be next. Oh, joy.
Ivan
That's why I love FreeRepublic. I can't expect to be able to back up my opinions and become a better debater if I don't try my hand at debating.
I have never understood this. For me, putting some man's penis into my mouth is a very intimate experience (as is intercourse). These girls have had to have been de-sensitized long before this to do this so freely. This is not an overnight thing --- it is years of schools "sex education" programs which end up equating sex with any other bodily function, divorcing any sort of emotion from it. Jocelyn Elders is a strong proponent of masturbation and oral sex as a replacement for intercourse, and the public school sex ed programs are pounding the same drum.
But JediGirl, kids in middle school don't know that stuff.
BTW, I am a believer, but not particularly "religious". I hope you will understand you don't have to choose to be part of the "religious right" to be morally right.
Lots of things aren't explicitly condemned in the Bible. And lots of people who are enamored of particular sins can convince themselves that those sins aren't condemned in the Bible. Bill Clinton convinced himself that abortion wasn't condemned in the Bible. Homosexuals are happy to tell you that a "committed relationship between consenting adults" isn't condemned in the Bible.
As I said, what you said goes against 2000 years of Christian witness -- Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant. That you think it's not condemned in the Bible doesn't change my point.
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