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Outrage in Italy as jeweller who shot dead two crooks who tied up his daughter and robbed his store is jailed for 17 years
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Posted on 12/06/2023 10:51:41 AM PST by algore

A jeweller in Italy has been sentenced to 17 years in prison for shooting dead two crooks who robbed his store and tied up his daughter, prompting a fierce debate on the limits of self-defence.

Mario Roggero shot at three thieves in Grinzane Cavour on April 28, 2021 after they entered his store, bound his daughter's hands behind her back, threatened to kill his wife and helped themselves to expensive jewellery and watches.

Fearing for his life, Roggero was seen on CCTV chasing them out of the shop and shooting at least five times.

Andrea Spinelli and Giuseppe Mazzarino died a few yards from the shop entrance, one in the street and the other on the corner with a side street. A third robber was injured and later arrested.

Roggero's sentencing has sparked outrage in Italy as politicians weigh in and say the jeweller was only defending himself and his family.

'He worked hard all his life, and he was just trying to defend his family and his business,' Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini said, expressing his 'full solidarity'.

But prosecutors have argued in court that following the crooks outside before shooting them as they got into a car is tantamount to an 'execution'.

A man, who appears to be Roggero, is held at gunpoint as he is moved through the store and into a back room.

'They were counting: five, four, three… I thought I was going to die,' Roggero later told the Italian press.

The men filled sacks with goods before making their escape outside.

Footage from the car park then shows Roggero pulling a gun on the thieves and shooting at them as they run.

One was later found dead in the middle of the street, another on a nearby corner.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: algore

It sounds like they decided that if the crooks are killed while committing a crime, the victim will serve their sentences in prison. That’s a good plan. Helps keep the cells full and everyone employed.


21 posted on 12/06/2023 11:19:48 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The damage Biden and his freak show is doing to America is not reversable.)
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To: algore

But prosecutors have argued in court that following the crooks outside before shooting them as they got into a car is tantamount to an 'execution'.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Clearly this was a combination of "justice", "karma", and "property recovery". Why on earth should they be allowed to escape after what they had done, while still holding his property? Given the same circumstances and opportunity, especially with a wife and daughter involved, I'm certain I would have reacted the same way. They can call it "execution" if they want; don't care. Words have no meaning anymore. Action is required. The benefit of saving others from enduring what he just endured is a community service to a host of would-be future victims.


22 posted on 12/06/2023 11:20:02 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: algore

The government would have done a lot to stem crime if they had just 100% defended the store owner. Italians would have gotten armed up and the criminals would have been put on notice.


23 posted on 12/06/2023 11:22:02 AM PST by Wuli ( ,)
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To: algore

Oddly just north of all this in Germany gang rapists got off scot free. Very selective justice these days.


24 posted on 12/06/2023 11:24:31 AM PST by xp38
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To: algore

40 years ago a bodega on Hillside Ave in Queens had been robbed a half dozen times. Orwner got himself a pump action shotgun. Three guys came in with piztols. Owner blew 2 away, chased thd third onto Hillside and put a slug in his back. He was charged with murder 2 for the third guy. Theory of no longer a threat. He pled to manslaughter 2.


25 posted on 12/06/2023 11:25:13 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: 1Old Pro

“a way to protect one’s family and loved ones from the injustice of the government.”

or interlopers.

I tend to see the bar scene from A Bronx Tale as summing it up nicely. A group of bikers enter the neighborhood, they refuse to abide by local standards or manners, so the neighborhood dishes out their own justice.


26 posted on 12/06/2023 11:38:51 AM PST by Zack Attack (✔)
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To: Zack Attack

Yep, worth every penny paid for “protection”, or law enforcement.


27 posted on 12/06/2023 11:40:16 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Zack Attack
Now yous cant leave
28 posted on 12/06/2023 11:43:42 AM PST by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: Zack Attack

I was talking to a sheriff’s deputy in Montana and how he has to cover such a huge area - he was the one guy on duty for the weekend. He said the farthest town he covers was 200 miles away or something crazy.

“But, we rarely go up there. They have their own way of taking care of law breakers, and we just try to steer clear of the place.”


29 posted on 12/06/2023 11:43:53 AM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: Red Badger

“$0R0$ DA..................”

In Italy?


30 posted on 12/06/2023 11:43:58 AM PST by dljordan
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To: dljordan

He’s multinational..............


31 posted on 12/06/2023 11:45:17 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: algore

Italy is not a place to find justice. Its a place of bias and prejudice, jealousy and bad tempered persons.


32 posted on 12/06/2023 11:45:52 AM PST by anton
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To: algore

Sounds like the world wide justice system has been printed and now in use.


33 posted on 12/06/2023 11:46:14 AM PST by Vaduz (....)
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To: algore
The jeweler probably would have gotten a similar sentence in many US States

Yup.

34 posted on 12/06/2023 12:06:27 PM PST by piytar (Do NOT forget Ashli Babbit!)
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To: bk1000

Can’t (legally) shoot them if they’re fleeing. Unfortunate, but that’s the law.
= = =

Supposedly, in India, forest workers wear masks on their heads backwards do fend off tiger attacks.

So, if I, as a crook, wear a mask of the back of my head, but on my front, will that give me legal immunity?


35 posted on 12/06/2023 12:06:30 PM PST by Scrambler Bob
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To: anton
"Italy is not a place to find justice. Its a place of bias and prejudice, jealousy and bad tempered persons."

Best general advice to an individual about a public group and interactions there with.

36 posted on 12/06/2023 12:08:11 PM PST by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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To: algore
The jeweler probably would have gotten a similar sentence in many US States

Yup. BTW to other Freepers, that does not mean I agree this is just or proper. We're just stating facts.

37 posted on 12/06/2023 12:12:10 PM PST by piytar (Do NOT forget Ashli Babbit!)
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To: bk1000
Can’t (legally) shoot them if they’re fleeing. Unfortunate, but that’s the law.

He should have gotten a marksmanship award and the keys to the city!

38 posted on 12/06/2023 12:19:26 PM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH!)
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To: xkaydet65

>Theory of no longer a threat.<

So the first six times the punk was no threat. What about the seventh time? Oh, there was no seventh time. The bodega owner had to know there would be a seventh time if he didn’t pull the trigger.

The same applies to the jewelry store owner. They will come back if they faced no resistance.

When someone says “I will kill you”, how long is that threat active? Does it matter if they lower their weapon? Does it matter if they turn their head? Does it matter if they turn their back? Does it matter if they are returning to their getaway car to retrieve something?

EC


39 posted on 12/06/2023 12:36:45 PM PST by Ex-Con777
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To: bk1000

That’s a law that needs to be rescinded in every state. It will save the taxpayers untold amounts of money and cut down on crime. A two ‘fer. Any criminal killed during the commission of a felony should be bought and paid for, too. The citizen performing the public service should get an award, like free ammo for a year or similar.


40 posted on 12/06/2023 12:39:12 PM PST by curious7
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