Posted on 02/05/2021 11:55:38 AM PST by Kevmo
There continues to be a lot of talk about secession now.
I think the invitation to secede should last decades, and be extended on a county by county basis.
After 4 or 5 decades, we solidify the borders, and those blue enclave counties that haven't drained out will be treated with the same respect that other sovereign nation enclaves within the US have been treated, i.e. the Indian Reservations, which are still sovereign.
I think the invitation to secede should be extended to counties in Canada and Mexico as well, since we are forming a new country.
Not all divorces end up in knockdown dragout fights. Some end 'amicably'.
we are not talking about junior high school antics.
Your argument is that people will be “inconvenienced”? WTF? Observing constitutional rights is an ‘inconvenience’?
Point Roberts and other enclaves have small population but they serve as proper analogies and allegories. Deal with it.
Your third paragraph about shipping goods across borders is ALREADY happening, with millions of tons of stuff coming across the Mexican and Canadian borders every day. What is your POINT?
I’ll address your last, ridiculous point in a separate post.
It is an analogy, dude. If you can’t deal with analogies then produce your own.
Oh I know, I know. You can’t.
again we are talking something a little more serious than a couple of bucks duking it out over the same doe.
Consider also, that a 2 color map doesn’t address the counties where there is obvious voter fraud or they’re sick of the libtards in charge.
We are not talking about economic viability. We are talking about constitutional republic rights. When we formed as a country, we were a backwater uneconomically viable colony. That changed quickly when we became our own entity. You seem to think GOP and conservatism is about economics, but it is more about constitutionalism, with which you hold a low regard. Like average Democrats.
You are right that most of the country doesn’t care about politics, just like most of the jews and undesirables rounded up by NAZIs didn’t think the time was up for them.
If they had known, they would have fought. Just look at how fierce the jews were 3 years later when they formed their own country.
People like you are quietly sending soft sounding messages to the folks who are boarding the death trains because you believe your opponents are good hearted. About as naive as a child believing in Unicorns.
Learn to deal with analogies.
You seem incapable.
What was wrong my analogy?
You are making assumptions and throwing around insults and you seem to be something of a nut. Discussing anything with you is pointless. Most people will ignore the wacky-ass theories and nutcase plans and concentrate on doing what we can in the real world.
What analogy? You’re just trying to shoot down mine.
Do you consider territorial battles with elk to be an analogy? Then say so.
Best of luck with that strategy, democrat.
I’ll assume your bucks vs. bucks over a doe is an analogy.
My competing analogy is 2 kids fighting it out in the schoolyard with officials watching, determining that the first kid to throw a punch was the aggressor.
In your analogy, please elaborate on how an aggressor is determined. It seems that in nature , the way an aggressor is determined is that one wins, the other luzes and slunks away. But humans are supposed to be better than that.
Explain your analogy, You ask what was wrong with it, I explained what was wrong with it.
Presumably things will go back to normal?
Naive.
Why are you bringing rockrr into this? Because you can’t argue for yourself and you need allies to swarm.
What presumptions have I made? What insults have I delivered that you have not delivered on the same scale?
You think I’m a ‘nut’. How is that not an insult? Defend your point of view. Use valid Logic. Go on.
When a geo-area decides to secede, everything is back on the table, including those contracts. The most important item is to run the rats out! Prolly best to begin with extremely red areas, that are self sufficient, since such a move would likely cause the immediate termination of goods into and out of that area. Also, a strong military capability/presence to turn back any attempt by outside forces to quash the process. Some form of “modified” Constitution/laws for that state, city, etc., would need to be ready to be established and implemented. Seems as though far too many things would need to be implemented nearly simultaneously to make it work and stop outside “influences”. At the end of the day, the goal would be to push out all rats to their own areas to live as they please, but not on red’s dime.
The prospect of Civil war is not something to blow off with juvenile analogy. The last one cost the lives of 700,000 men.
X and I have commented on other secession threads so I imagine that he thought it might be of interest to me.
I don’t “swarm” and to my knowledge neither does X.
Well then, it looks like he needs some help formulating valid critical thinking.
Then, like I said before, offer your own analogy.
If you’re using Civil War 1 as the analogy, then state it plainly.
I have already addressed the differences on this thread. But you do not address such differences, so show your ability to address analogies.
My view:
The path to freedom, if we must, is first thru the establishment of a new ship of state - by way of forming a new, the Third Continental Congress.
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At all times, even in revolution, the construction of our forefathers’ efforts was to ensure lawful process and exercise authority under the rule of law. For example, contrary to the hysteria perpetrated in the “liberal press,” about the militia, the colonial militia were at all times answerable to civilian authority, in a chain of command reaching down from the Continental Congress and down from the Provincial Congresses of the colonies, often times through what were called Committees of Safety.
There is much in our American Heritage, in which we must seek to know and understand the construction of our country and Constitution, so that where we are going, we will ensure that we do so by a lawful process, and always keep upon the path toward our principle objectives: to restore our Constitution and rule of law over government ... instead of embarking upon a sea of rage because of our current unhappiness.
It will take all of our self-discipline, to not wander from the path. The secret of George Washington’s success, according to him, when asked by a correspondent, after the President’s retirement from public office, was this: “...the straight line.”
Sir Winston Churchill, upon the occasion of a visit to an American university after World War II, and feeling the infirmities of his age, was asked to give a speech; but he had to wait out a lengthy introduction.
At the end of this praise, Churchill stood up and approached the podium; and then said, no more than, “Never, never, never, never quit.”
You must not let go of our democratic-republic [principles]. You must not be “rattled.”
The Founding Fathers and Framers set up a structure for a government in waiting, the Continental Congress. During that decade prior to Lexington and Concord, the colonialists absorbed the principles of law, some of which were discussed in the “letters of correspondence.” There is much that the people knew -— enough people -— which is what will be needed if we are to win.
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Edmund Burke said, in his March 22, 1775 “Speech on Conciliation With America”:
Permit me, Sir, to add another circumstance in our colonies, which contributes no mean part towards the growth and effect of this untractable spirit. I mean their education. In no country perhaps in the world is the law so general a study...
This study renders men acute, inquisitive, dexterous, prompt in attack, ready in defence, full of resources. In other countries, the people, more simple and of a less mercurial cast, judge of an ill principle in government only by an actual grievance; here they anticipate the evil, and judge of the pressure of the grievance by the badness of the principle. They augur misgovernment at a distance; and snuff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze.
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The Third Continental Congress
To consist of 2 representatives from each state.
Those 2 (per state) are chosen by the RED CONSERVATIVE COUNTIES of their respective states.
The RED Conservative counties of each state, to have themselves chosen 2 representative - who convene with the other sets of 2 representives at the state level.
*That* state level convention for the purpose of choosing the 2 representives, who then proceed to the meeting of the Third Continental Congress.
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