Posted on 02/05/2021 11:55:38 AM PST by Kevmo
There continues to be a lot of talk about secession now.
I think the invitation to secede should last decades, and be extended on a county by county basis.
After 4 or 5 decades, we solidify the borders, and those blue enclave counties that haven't drained out will be treated with the same respect that other sovereign nation enclaves within the US have been treated, i.e. the Indian Reservations, which are still sovereign.
I think the invitation to secede should be extended to counties in Canada and Mexico as well, since we are forming a new country.
Not all divorces end up in knockdown dragout fights. Some end 'amicably'.
They won’t let anyone secede. They want your property/savings & they will take it.
It’s all about attaining critical mass. If enough conservative patriots are on board, the naysayers will be pushed aside and left in their cowardly bunkers or in their comfortable blue cities to look down their noses at us country bumpkins.
It happened positively in the Revolutionary War, did not obtain critical mass in Civil War I.
I perceive it was because the south during Civil War I had military superiority for a short while and engaged in hubris. If they had never fired on Fort Sumter, it is likely we would be 2 separate but equal coountries right now.
The Tuscon - Phoenix rivalry is actually incredibly vague, to those of us who don’t live nearby. I have never heard of it.
But all of us are right now Americans, so when Russian Bear Bombers or chinese ICBMs or Nork Nukes threaten us, they threaten ALL of us and there is nothing vague about it.
That's what talk like that ends up with.
Nobody wants to have to cross international borders to get to work or to school or to the doctor or to the mall because somebody has the asinine idea of splitting up the country.
Split up the country and nobody benefits except our enemies, rivals, and competitors.
The old saying, “all that’s neccesary for evil to succeed,is for good men to do nothing,” comes to mind. Count me in with your “critical mass.”
The problem is, most don’t know their history, millennials especially, if they did, they’d know ANYTHING is better than living under communism. Have they read what happened under the Bolsheviks? Even secession is worth a try.
Yes the deterrent has worked SO FAR. We only used 2 small nukes in1945 and it brought an entire country to its knees.
Look at the map of those enclave counties. One Nuke would wipe any one of them off the map. So if they have 10 nukes and use them, they would be turned to glass.
There are currently several examples of neighboring nuke countries that are in deterrence mode, such as Israel&Neighbors, Pakistan/India, China/Russia. It works as a deterrent, especially if the countries are small or have heavily concentrated cities.
How are they doing it? They find people willing to go into "partnerships" with them, like a county board, a city council, etc., which slowly entraps the small towns willing to participate.
I would be willing to bet that the vote steal that took place was the "partnerships" being asked to help out.
Think Gretchen Whitmer, a top George Soros stooge. She is certainly part of a plan to decrease liberty.
It is happening right now, it is insidious - and it's right under our noses.
how friendly was the last attempted breakup of the United States. About 700,000 killed, many cities in smoldering ruins. thousands of farms, factories, mills destroyed.
3 billion dollars of wealth evaporated. Could easily see the same thing happening again.
We are ALREADY at that point in the USA. You cannot travel from one state to another without showing valid ID, and you cannot step onto an airplane without showing what’s called a Real ID, which requires 4 other forms of ID to generate.
There are cutoff enclaves of America like Point Roberts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Roberts,_Washington
where they have to travel through 4 border crossings in order to travel by land to & from their commute in Vancouver.
What you express worry and disdain about, well, that has already happened. Might as well get the benefit of it.
How friendly was the jewish breakoff from the holocaust? Tens of millions of more killed, hundreds of $Billions of more wealth evaporated. Far more smoldering ruins.
It is cheaper to allow secession.
In fact, following that NAZI line of history, there once was an actual stated policy within NAZI Germany of ZIONism, but they were rebuffed by Britain, the USA, and other countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
https://www.history.com/news/wwii-jewish-refugee-ship-st-louis-1939
It will end well. As well as the first revolutionary war ended.
Can you see how empty these puffy assertions are? I doubt it.
How embarrassing that up to now, the ones on the bottom are winning.
Before January 6, I wouldn't have considered it.
It would have been cheaper in 1861 also. The powers in both nations chose war.
January 6 was just the beginning of their leftist statism gaslighting.
I place the blame on the South, for firing on Fort Sumter. They drew first blood.
There are spiritual warfare aspects to this struggle.
Point Roberts has a small population and I suppose people who don't like things there can always move. Split up the rest of the country and a lot more people will be inconvenienced in more serious ways.
Split up the country and each half would have to either cope with a large inherited debt or default and be locked out of bond markets. Now if you have large stores or factories on one side of a border or another are you going to have customers and goods and employees pass through customs thousands of times a day? Or are you going to build a new mall or factory on the other side of the border? Or is the mall just going to die from losing half its customers.
Consider also, that a two color map doesn't indicate the close counties, nor does it indicate just how empty and economically unviable some of the counties are. And all this talk about secession or splitting the country up doesn't reflect the fact that most of the country doesn't really care about politics.
“I place the blame on the South, for firing on Fort Sumter. They drew first blood.”
You will most probably be visited by Diogenes Lamp in 3. 2. 1
Abraham Lincoln was willing to risk war to hold on to Ft. Sumter. Jefferson Davis was willing to risk war to force the fort to surrender. Both leaders would accept war as a consequence of their actions. With that mentality, war was an inevitbility.
Have you ever been in a fight in front of school officials, like gym coaches or yard monitors or teachers?
The first person to throw a punch started the fight.
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