Posted on 10/22/2019 1:32:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
A few days ago men removed some female figurines (centerpieces for several weird ceremonies in Rome the last few weeks) from a church and tossed them into the Tiber River. Vatican spokesman Paolo Ruffini dismissed the act as a “stunt”. Regardless of how one assess this act, however, I think it not accurate to describe it as a mere “stunt”.
A “stunt” is a gesture that calls attention to a problem but does not itself solve the problem. For example, chaining oneself to a lamppost could call attention to the plight of the unjustly imprisoned but does not itself free the imprisoned. Standing on the corner with one’s mouth duct-taped might call attention to the suffering of the voiceless but does not itself give them a voice. Such acts are stunts, good stunts or bad, but in the end, stunts. What the Tiber men did was different.
Removing these figures from a church and tossing them into the Tiber does not simply call attention to the problem of setting up such objects in a church it also removes the statues from the church and thus solves the problem of having them set up in a sacred place. Such an act, good act or bad, is more than a “stunt”, it is form of direct action against a problem.
The Vatican having ruled out the possibility that the nude statues might represent the Virgin Mary or ‘Our Lady of the Amazon’, it is disputed whether the figurines portray the Amazon pagan goddess Pachamama or (at least per a handful of Vaticanisti) merely some vague “life force”. It is not for me to opine on who or what the objects actually represent and if someone wants to argue that chanting to and bowing before figurines of naked women does not count as worshiping strange gods, well, who am I to say?
But a fuller assessment of the act of these two men does not rest solely on whether the figures are demonic or merely faddish. Canon 1210, addressing the dignity of Catholic holy places in general, states: “Only those things which serve the exercise or promotion of worship, piety, or religion are permitted in a sacred place; anything not consonant with the holiness of the place is forbidden…” And Canon 1220 § 1, addressing churches specifically, states: “All those responsible are to take care that in churches such cleanliness and beauty are preserved as befit a house of God and that whatever is inappropriate to the holiness of the place is excluded.”
Theses canons, in my view, do not simply preclude the placement of obviously demonic or pagan artifacts in our churches, but rather, require those in charge of sacred places to set up objects that are positively conducive to Christian prayer and worship. If, as the Congregation for Divine worship stated in 1987(*), the mere fact that that some music is admittedly beautiful does not justify its performance in churches, then all the more so should church authorities be on guard against setting up objects widely and reasonably seen as representing pagan deities in Catholic sacred spaces. I suggest (and more to the point, the Code of Canon Law understands in, say, Canon 214), that the faithful have the right to trust that what they see in Catholic sacred places is actually there in service to the sacred and is not simply a gesture toward some form of political correctness or the latest cause du jour, to say nothing of it possibly being simply evil. Ignoring concerns about the proper use of sacred space with a shrug and a ‘we don’t really know what it is’ is to ignore the positive duties that Church leadership owes to the faithful.
As a man of law I am also a man of order and, as a rule, I hold that removing objects from private property is not an act of good order. But then, neither is setting up idols (whether to demons or to secular causes) in Catholic churches an act of good order. Over time the disregard of law by those in charge eventually brings about disregard of law by those subject to it. And that in turn can result in acts that are much more than mere “stunts”.
* See Cong. for Divine Worship (Mayer), excerpt from let. “Qua in mentem quaedam normae quoad ‘Concerti nelle chiesa’ revocantur” (05 nov 1987), Communicationes 19 (1987) 179-181.
Well, I was using the phrase “judge, jury, and executioner” as a term of art. Custodian works for me but, again, I can only act on the behalf of the Priest who is the rightful authority in this regard.
Do you believe you must5 follow the Catholic sacraments in order to have eternal life?
You're hardly old.
I don’t see a problem with a war against the paganism which has been unlawfully brought into Holy Mother Church.
These men corrected a wrong by tossing out pagan idols.
Additionally, these are brave men who need our prayers for protection from the evil men who are responsible for unlawfully bringing pagan idols into the Church.
The Mary of the catholic church teachings is not the Mary of the Bible...although catholics do ‘believe’ that she is as well as what they are indoctrinated to believe about her.
The Mary of the catholic church teachings is not the Mary of the Bible...although catholics do ‘believe’ that she is as well as what they are indoctrinated to believe about her.
Where are you getting this mistaken idea?
Those among other things. The list is very extensive of what the RC MUST do in order to be saved.
The immaculate conception, ever virgin, apparitions, scapulars, etc.
No.
The scriptures is where I confirm teachings if true or not.
Do you believe you must be baptized to obtain eternal life?
You, my good FRiend have written your bishop and know better than us bench-warmers what it means to "take action." Further, if the bishop is OK, I would not unleash a ridicule-laden Tweetstorm on him. In addition, I wouldn't dream of unloading on my Parish Priest about Pope Francis - he's not to blame (and he's an ok guy).
But for special people, the tools of ridicule and satire...they hit them in their Achilles and it tends to madden them, revealing their true selves. And they don't WANT to demask, but they can't help themselves.
Imagine being in line to meet the current Pope...it's your turn, and while he's smiling you say, in Spanish, "Viganò asks 'where is your mercy?' " You just KNOW that smile will give way to anger that will not abate..and you will live rent-free in his head for a while.
Now imagine scores of people like that, every week, at the General Audience...calling out "Viva Viganò" and "where is your mercy?"
Over time, this would have a MUCH greater impact than throwing a few ugly if not abominable wood carvings into the Tiber. And you wouldn't have to break the law.
The Catholic Church gave you the Scriptures. Both OT and NT. If you are using the kjv you do not have a complete Bible nor the complete word of God.
Do you believe that if you do not follow the Catholic sacraments you must go through purgatory to get to heaven?
You are in error: the Holy Spirit gave us the scriptures. Pride is a sin
And to whom were they given — the Catholic Church through all the authors.
What Bible was first printed by the Guttenberg press?
The Catholic Vulgate.
Look it up!
And then what denomination attempted to stop the Bible from being printed in the local languages? The RCC.
We can play this game all night.
You've already displayed a lack of knowledge of the rosary and if it's to be worn or not.
“ And those are found in the Bible where exactly?
Catholics don’t rely on Scripture unless it supports our traditions.
“Catholics don’t rely on Scripture unless it supports our traditions.”
That is more than obvious. Some days it appears this goofy fool Pope doesn’t rely on Scripture at all.
Ever.
L
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