Posted on 10/22/2019 1:32:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
A few days ago men removed some female figurines (centerpieces for several weird ceremonies in Rome the last few weeks) from a church and tossed them into the Tiber River. Vatican spokesman Paolo Ruffini dismissed the act as a “stunt”. Regardless of how one assess this act, however, I think it not accurate to describe it as a mere “stunt”.
A “stunt” is a gesture that calls attention to a problem but does not itself solve the problem. For example, chaining oneself to a lamppost could call attention to the plight of the unjustly imprisoned but does not itself free the imprisoned. Standing on the corner with one’s mouth duct-taped might call attention to the suffering of the voiceless but does not itself give them a voice. Such acts are stunts, good stunts or bad, but in the end, stunts. What the Tiber men did was different.
Removing these figures from a church and tossing them into the Tiber does not simply call attention to the problem of setting up such objects in a church it also removes the statues from the church and thus solves the problem of having them set up in a sacred place. Such an act, good act or bad, is more than a “stunt”, it is form of direct action against a problem.
The Vatican having ruled out the possibility that the nude statues might represent the Virgin Mary or ‘Our Lady of the Amazon’, it is disputed whether the figurines portray the Amazon pagan goddess Pachamama or (at least per a handful of Vaticanisti) merely some vague “life force”. It is not for me to opine on who or what the objects actually represent and if someone wants to argue that chanting to and bowing before figurines of naked women does not count as worshiping strange gods, well, who am I to say?
But a fuller assessment of the act of these two men does not rest solely on whether the figures are demonic or merely faddish. Canon 1210, addressing the dignity of Catholic holy places in general, states: “Only those things which serve the exercise or promotion of worship, piety, or religion are permitted in a sacred place; anything not consonant with the holiness of the place is forbidden…” And Canon 1220 § 1, addressing churches specifically, states: “All those responsible are to take care that in churches such cleanliness and beauty are preserved as befit a house of God and that whatever is inappropriate to the holiness of the place is excluded.”
Theses canons, in my view, do not simply preclude the placement of obviously demonic or pagan artifacts in our churches, but rather, require those in charge of sacred places to set up objects that are positively conducive to Christian prayer and worship. If, as the Congregation for Divine worship stated in 1987(*), the mere fact that that some music is admittedly beautiful does not justify its performance in churches, then all the more so should church authorities be on guard against setting up objects widely and reasonably seen as representing pagan deities in Catholic sacred spaces. I suggest (and more to the point, the Code of Canon Law understands in, say, Canon 214), that the faithful have the right to trust that what they see in Catholic sacred places is actually there in service to the sacred and is not simply a gesture toward some form of political correctness or the latest cause du jour, to say nothing of it possibly being simply evil. Ignoring concerns about the proper use of sacred space with a shrug and a ‘we don’t really know what it is’ is to ignore the positive duties that Church leadership owes to the faithful.
As a man of law I am also a man of order and, as a rule, I hold that removing objects from private property is not an act of good order. But then, neither is setting up idols (whether to demons or to secular causes) in Catholic churches an act of good order. Over time the disregard of law by those in charge eventually brings about disregard of law by those subject to it. And that in turn can result in acts that are much more than mere “stunts”.
* See Cong. for Divine Worship (Mayer), excerpt from let. “Qua in mentem quaedam normae quoad ‘Concerti nelle chiesa’ revocantur” (05 nov 1987), Communicationes 19 (1987) 179-181.
“Not inspired” is not the same thing as “not true,” however.
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Sorry, if it isn’t in Scripture, it came from somewhere else.
I’ll stick with what God declares.
My answer to you:
Psalm 26:4
That’s a sound policy.
Tell me, what’s the difference between dulia and latria?
The Scriptures came from God to the Jews...Judaism and Christianity Both Rely on the Hebrew Bible......To their people was given the revelation of God, His nature, His laws, and His history.... Israel was entrusted with the Bible, and because of these people all the nations of the earth have been blessed......
but I agree the catholic church ‘teaches’ their church gave us the scriptures and they believe it.
The product of a depraved mind is certainly found in worshipping & venerating idols.
I’ve posted the Exodus Commandments for all to see and they will deny they are doing it. Thus your post stating that The Lord’s own Words not being able to convince them holds a lot of credence. Just like Abraham’s warning to the rich man in Hades (Luke 16:19-31) about somebody rising from the dead to convince his brothers of their evil ways.
Yes.. they have numerous catholic teachings surrounding their worship of their Mary coupled with that which they’ve borrowed and added to from the scriptures. But then this is just how false teachings enter .....they couple just enough truth to deceive their otherwise false teachings.
Ouch!
Your ‘catholic wannabe dude’ is a great exposer of that religion!
“ The Catholic Church gave you the Scriptures. Both OT and NT.
Seriously??
God gave the Scriptures through Jews .
2/3 before Christ was born.
The OT was give. to the Jews long before the Roman sect existed. The NT was given to Jew and Gentile by the Holy Spirit long before the Roman sect existed as well. You might want to check that chip on your shoulder
How can you tell the difference?
Sure. Put bikinis on the art forms.
But . . . but . . . but . . . such art forms like the prurient magazines or statues are protected by the 1st Amendment, whereas saying the Mass in a public school classroom is not. Isn't there something wrong here? < /s >
Who compiled the OT and NT books into the current Bible as we know it?
Anybody kissed a ring lately?
The Holy Spirit of God, using an already pagani,ed bunch of men always in power struggles ... Proving what was written long before the Roman Catholic brand was even imagined. Do you k ow where you can find that in the Septuagint?
The Holy Spirit of God, using an already pagani,ed bunch of men always in power struggles ... Proving what was written long before the Roman Catholic brand was even imagined. Do you k ow where you can find that in the Septuagint?
The Holy Spirit of God, using an already pagani,ed bunch of men always in power struggles ... Proving what was written long before the Roman Catholic brand was even imagined. Do you k ow where you can find that in the Septuagint?
The Holy Spirit of God, using an already pagani,ed bunch of men always in power struggles ... Proving what was written long before the Roman Catholic brand was even imagined. Do you k ow where you can find that in the Septuagint?
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