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1 posted on 05/04/2016 12:46:01 PM PDT by Zeneta
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The JW religion is based on the verse that says, "Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". Lord = Jehovah. Yet in their truth book, they acknowledge the verse that says, "There is no other name under heaven by which man can be saved." They admit that name is 'Jesus'.

Therefore, either there are two ways to be saved, or Jesus = Jehovah.

91 posted on 05/04/2016 7:52:48 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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be honest and tell her your savior is Christ but you don’t believe in her brand of religion. I have a watchtower evangelist who comes over every other week or so, who I told at the out set that I was agnostic. I have weak spot for people with disabilities, and he is a bad stutterer. He appreciates my listening, and giving of my historical biblical era knowledge. Don’t get upset, be cheerful, calm and open.

Here is a historical point to redirect the conversation

The Temple mount (Jewish) was not the only contemporary Temple mount. 2-3 years ago a Samarian Temple mount was found. The Samarian bible ends with moses, and thus are proto-jews.

Much of the current evangelical conversation centers on end time issues, so if she’s going off on global warming ask how humans increased the temperature of planets as close as mars and as far as Pluto? How is it that the 4% of co2 per year produced by human activity could cause this problem.

Lately the terrorist issue has come up, just simply ask, so how do you get people who love death, more then their own family or life, to be good neighbors?

You’re nerves will likely be tried, just keep a smile and good cheer, and a few beers close at hand


92 posted on 05/04/2016 8:11:41 PM PDT by waynesa98
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Speak only what is necessary, true, and kind.

A wise teacher of mine always said it is impossible to reason someone out of a position they have not reasoned themselves into. I've found that to be useful to remember whenever discussing deeply held personal beliefs with anyone.

93 posted on 05/04/2016 8:25:00 PM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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She has always been an "All or nothing" person, believing virtually anything and everything.

First: Know what you are talking about.
Second: Create doubt. Show her; from JW sources; the unfulfilled 'prophecies', the high handed 'translating' of the Scriptures; the internal inconsistencies of her chosen Religious Organization.
Third: Play OFFENSE. Do NOT get tangled up playing DEFENSE!

97 posted on 05/09/2016 8:15:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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In being “witnessed to” once, I turned to the man at my door and asked, “I believe that Jesus died for my sins, that His resurrection is proof that God is satisfied with His death, that He, being the Son of God is seated at the Father’s right hand and that He has gone to prepare a place for me that where He is, there will I be also and that by believing in Him, I have life through His name. If you have something better to offer me than that, tell me what it is.”

The conversation pretty much ended right there. Hopefully, the “witness” took from my testimony something that enabled him to open his eyes. But that is the work of the Holy Spirit. I am simply called to sow seed.


107 posted on 05/09/2016 8:29:03 AM PDT by MarDav
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Ask her to think about belonging to a religion which sprung up so recently. For me, that would be very unsettling. The thought that after.thousands of years , only now, and only us truly understand God.


108 posted on 05/09/2016 8:29:28 AM PDT by BRL
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Since jehovah’s witnesses do not believe Jesus is One with the Father(they deny the Trinity doctrine), you can ask how it is that Jesus can say he is the great “I AM” in John 8:58. the same “I AM” that the Father used in speaking to Moses at the burning bush.

John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


113 posted on 05/09/2016 8:37:07 AM PDT by P220
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Tell her you just joined the Church of Scientology.

That should lead to an interesting discussion.

Just kidding, tell her you converted to Mormonism.


136 posted on 05/09/2016 9:13:50 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Hillary Clinton has killed four more People than Three Mile Island.)
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"While I consider myself a Christian, I can't quote a single passage from the bible. I've read it, I understand it and I have accepted Christ as my Savior."

So it's one Christian sect arguing against another. You don't really have a strong basis to make an argument against her choice.

They are cultish in that they try to discourage members from contact with people that might cause doubts. In a rational person that very coltishness should cause doubts. But instead, if you argue too strongly you might just get put on the "do not talk" list and lose contact with her.

140 posted on 05/09/2016 9:38:36 AM PDT by mlo
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I like the topic and you have lots of good advice already.
My 2 cents anyway. She is likely very skilled in the bible and has Tons of practice explaining why she is right. She was first taught by people skilled in it before she was allowed to “lead”.

So you need to be Very knowledgeable in the KJV bible because that is their enemy. And knowing it is not enough. You also have to be skilled in presenting your side.

Those two skills take years to develop. Short of that the best thing to do is pray for her salvation and let the Holy Spirit do all the heavy lifting.

God may have her where she is for a reason.


145 posted on 05/09/2016 10:06:14 AM PDT by winodog
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*snicker* you can TRY. Love to be there!


150 posted on 05/09/2016 11:51:31 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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I read with the Witnesses for months..never made the jump...I found their lack of compassion..at least in my instance, troubling. I have a brother who is an atheist, one a non-practicing Catholic and another who is Muslim. I say teach through example, be patient, gracious, kind and loving..most of all loving. When my brothers ask where my Joy and Peace come from, I tell them from my Trust and Love of Jesus. I say my prayers in front of them at meal times, and will leave the room to say my rosary and other devotions, but they know what I am doing. By living my Faith,I expose them to my joy. They know I am ALWAYS ready to help them in their spiritual journey, Trust in the Lord, His will shall be done.


171 posted on 05/25/2016 7:18:51 AM PDT by coloradomomba (Lord God...please use me.)
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Ask her why JW’s don’t believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but just another creation.


172 posted on 06/03/2016 8:14:33 PM PDT by toothfairy86
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Here we go.

You simply cannot argue or reason anyone out of anything.

You have to lead them into something else.

That will be difficult if you don’t have a strong background in the scriptures.

The scriptures thoroughly demolish the basic JW doctrines, but to present them as demolishing the JW position would tend to cause her to put up false defenses.

Instead you have to establish Yeshua’s deity without regard to what she has been indoctrinated with.

There are orgs and websites for that purpose; search them out.
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174 posted on 06/06/2016 9:49:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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Don't.

A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.

Smile. Love her. And leave the religious argument aside.

You need to meet her where she is now.

If at some point she begins to doubt you will be where she will come.

Read your Bible and pray.

Not for her but for you because unless you know why you believe as you do your foundation is shaky.

175 posted on 06/06/2016 9:56:56 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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Growing up as a child two of my best friends from the neighborhood were children of fanatical Jehovah Witness parents.
Every year while we celebrated Christmas, Easter, Birthdays, even Halloween, while we got gifts, presents, candy these two kids got NOTHING and did NOTHING.
When i was around 16 the oldest decided that he was going to have a impromptu Christmas party for us friends up in his bedroom.
The mother instantly knew something was wrong, she started banging on the door violently.
My friend told us to ignore it.
I started to worry.
TheN the father came home...
He started to bash on the door.
My friend finally opened the door,a HUGE argument ensued with the dad eventually flying backwards down the staircase.
That was our cue to get the F out of there!

I will NEVER forget that memory and what those two kids went through trying to grow up in a otherwise normal American neighborhood.

When they come knocking i now politely tell them to SCREW.

Good luck with your sister but i fear that you will be of no help...
Those people are absolute FANATICS.


188 posted on 06/15/2016 12:12:15 PM PDT by mowowie (Press 2 for Deportation)
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