Posted on 02/17/2013 7:35:28 AM PST by ABrit
"...despicably claiming his mother is dead – to keep her far from prying eyes.
For, America, the Truth is: the Mother of “Barack Obama’ is far from dead, far from obese, and far from ‘folksy’.
She’s been far from Indonesia, too.
All these years, The Mother of America’s “President” has been here, in America,...
Jo Ann Newman, living, clearly living, for years and years, though her son has pronounced her dead.
...For, since they met in the 1950′s, for the sake of Malcolm’s reputation, Jo Ann sacrificed public recognition of her role as his lover and mother of his child.
And since the early 1990′s, because “Barack Obama” deemed her a huge political liability, Jo Ann has been unable to publicly associate with her and Malcolm’s son."
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Ooops. The forger forgot to put their signatures on the form.
hello Martha T-— well, if it was forged, seems they would have added barry on there to make him look legit, and ann his mom
STFU, huah.
You know darned well that sort of phrase is like a red cape to a bull.
Not with this group. They thrive on throwing out confusion. All, to keep us chasing after their lies. Great fun for them, observing us. A ‘power’ thing - their power over our minds, our time. Sickos.
Jo Ann completed high school in the late fifties. At the time of Malcolm’s assassination she was approximately 23 years old.
“It’s pretty hard to threaten a non-existant person.”
Hmmmm. So THAT’S how the threats are rationalized, yes? In the Universe Of Enemies Within, I do not exist.
Why not speak up Fred?
Thank you, FN.
I always appreciate pings.
You are evidently working for the 0mozlem side, or are a rogue nutcase.
Or, both.
Obvious to anyone who isn’t one or both of the above.
“To the horrid, all things are horrid.” Alice Adams, by Booth Tarkington -
Martha,
I won’t pretend that I haven’t at times been skeptical of your Jo Ann Newman as mother assertion. Nevertheless, I’m intrigued enough that I continue to have a hard time ignoring what you have written.
I have some questions to ask in good faith (though I don’t assume you would feel a need to take them in good faith).
How certain would you describe yourself to be in your conclusion that Barack’s mother was Jo Ann Newman, the sister of political playwright Fred Newman? Is this a matter of absolute certainty for you because of a multiplicity of clear-cut, irrefutable materials of evidence that you have seen first hand? Or, is this more nearly a theory of which you would say you’re maybe 90% sure, perhaps because it is the most plausible way to explain some otherwise extraordinarily bizarre coincidences? Or, is it somewhere in between?
Are some of the secondary details of your position still in doubt or rather fuzzy to you? In other words would you say of some of the points you’ve published, “those are conjectural ideas that were meant not to be taken as definite but to help others see the over all plausibility of the main points of the Jo Ann Newman contention.”?
Did you at some point in your journey expect that you would eventually release the current identity and whereabouts of Jo Ann Newman directly through your blog prior to the 2012 election?
I gathered from one of your posts several months ago that you had handed over your evidence to individuals with the authority to bring it to light and/or to bring some reckoning to Obama. I think you may have said to Obama in that or a subsequent article, “Only God can save you now.” How sure were you at the time that your evidence was taken very seriously but those that you had brought into the loop? Has your view of that disclosure and those to whom you made the disclosure changed over the last several months?
In January, I think you posted something to your blog indicating that everything is soon to hit the fan. Was your expectation that some of this heretofore unpublished evidence clarifying Obama’s identity fraud to which you are privy would very soon be seeing the light of day? Did you guess the evidence would have been making a big splash before now?
Do you even now remain optimistic that there will be a day of reckoning for Obama and his co-conspirators on this side of eternity? If you had to make your best guess about how soon the key damning, unpublished evidence would come to light, would you please suggest a rough number of months from now that we are likely to still have to wait for this?
Since the time you began to pursue questions about Obama’s identity, have you had any direct or indirect contact with the woman you believe to have been Jo Ann Newman? If so, any elaboration would be welcome.
Have you been told by representatives of the FBI or CIA or the Secret Service in an official capacity that bringing your evidence to light would be a violation of secrecy laws or military clearances (of course I realize that the same authorities may have, in the same breath, forbidden you from answering a question like this)?
Have you been subjected to threats from thugs not claiming to act as part of law enforcement entities?
Do you know or suppose that Mike Zullo is privy to some of the same unpublished evidence that you have worked to unearth? Do you have an informed opinion or even just a hunch about whether the efforts of the Cold Case Posse will materialize into a substantial blow against team Obama on the identity fraud front?
Have you been able to maintain contact with Mario Apuzzo? Do you gather that he is basically in agreement with you that your evidence leads to the conclusions you have proposed? Do you imagine that you will be working with him any further on bringing the Jo Ann Newman evidence to light or the implications thereof to bear?
Do you sympathize in at least some way with people like me who are prone to feel rather infuriated by the thought that you actually do possess smoking-gun-type evidence and yet you have been unwilling (or unable) all the way through this most recent election cycle to disclose it? There’s some part of me that wants to say, “Is she still trying to lead us on, after all this? It’s TOO LATE NOW!” Of course, on my better days, I quickly remind myself of how terrible it might be to know something earth-shattering but yet be unable to say anything about it for fear of very credible threats.
Do you have any indication that more and more people are gradually learning/seeing/taking heed of the unpublished evidence you find most compelling?
Thanks for making an appearance on this board and for any time you may be willing to spare answering these questions and/or elaborating further on what this process has been for you and on whether or not I’m completely misunderstanding your situation.
Ditto. Look forward to hearing more tomorrow as am in UK timezone. Regards to both.
And though I don’t think I’ve read every reply on this thread, no one seems to have noticed that Martha T. is a newbie to FR. Where has she been for the last four years of
the Obama Identity controversy? It would seem to confirm your
suspicions/
I think some noticed; I did. I’ve read a number of her articles. No substantion at all. Full of stout assertions with nothing to back it up, and confusing writing.
And all of a sudden pops out of nowhere - now.
Odd.
There’s no need for me to ‘speak up’ as you have suggested, all I need to do is go back over the same old same old garbage you posted before and ask you when you plan to answer the questions:
To: Greenperson
You are being deliberately obtuse. Did you not know this already? What king of research have you been doing?
Valerie Newman was born in 1940 not 1915 as you say.
She appears in the International Movie Database along with Valerie Sarruf http://www.imdb.com/
Looking at the dates of the films
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0628299/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0765586/
It seems likely that they are two names for the same actress. I’d need to see some of the movies to prove it, and getting copies may be problematic.
“We know who the person who wrote the tribute was: A clerk. Perhaps an errand girl for grocery store clerks.”
Why did an errand girl named Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary?
495 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 1:28:47 AM by ABrit
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To: ABrit
Quantico? Around that same time Roy Obama lived in the DC area.
496 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 1:41:40 AM by Greenperson
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To: ABrit
Deliberately obtuse? I might accuse you of the same.
Did you even look at the photo that I linked?
Did you notice that the page you yourself linked to says that Valerie Newman had a daughter with Curly Howard? Do you know who that is?
Curly of the 3 Stooges. The photo was taken sometime in the late 1940s. They married in 1947. He died in 1952. That’s Janie in the photo. When Curly married Valerie, she was thrice-widowed and age 32. Do the math.
Your other Valerie may have been born in 1940, but she’s not Valerie Newman. That other Valerie’s movies were made in the appropriate timeframe for a young woman born in 1940.
Do go get the movies for the other Valerie Newman and look at them before you decide that Valerie Newman was young in the 60s and changed her name to Sarruf.
By the way, you said specifically that “per IMDB” she changed her name. Would you care to link to where IMDB says that?
What kind of research are YOU doing? I do THOROUGH research before I jump to the conclusion that someone with a common name like Newman must be SOMEHOW, with no proof, related to Fred Newman.
I’m not saying that Jo Ann Newman, the clerk who wrote a tribute to Malcolm X, is NOT related to him; but since you make the claim, it’s your problem to prove it.
Brown Deer showed census records that indicate that Freddie Newman didn’t have any sisters named Valerie in 1940. While one may have been born later, there’s no evidence of that yet.
Trowbridge claims to know who Jo Ann is and even says she’s still alive and active in the cause; but Martha the creative writer doesn’t link sources or back up her claims with proof. Why is that?
The proof is in the pudding and so far all we see is trifle.
Public records searchs also say that Bari M. Shabazz is 52. He’s not. He’s dead, according to the Social Security index. So, how accurate are these public record searches? Have you ever searched for yourself on them? Do you find any mistakes? They’re compiled from databases that make assumptions about people and so, like Ancestry, they’re only as good as the people entering the data and making the assumptions. Garbage in, garbage out.
This is not our theory. It’s yours or at least you seem to own it here in Trowbridge’s name. So, it’s up to you to put out the evidence and convince others that it’s true.
497 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 2:03:18 AM by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
Correction: Valerie was thrice-MARRIED but a widow when she met Curly Howard. Now one thing to remember, the IMDB is, like Wikipedia, a user-edited website. Accuracy is not ensured. I see nothing that says Valerie Newman, Curly’s wife, was an actress, although she may have been. The IMDB definitely says Curly married the actress Valerie. http://encycl.opentopia.com/term/Curly_Howard That is the link where I found the approximate age for her. However, Curly’s wife Valerie died about 1962, so she could not have been in those late-60s movies. Something is wrong somewhere, which goes to show that you can’t rely on online databases. You need primary sources or at least more reliable ones than user-compiled sources.
498 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 2:23:58 AM by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
“Your other Valerie may have been born in 1940, but she’s not Valerie Newman. That other Valerie’s movies were made in the appropriate timeframe for a young woman born in 1940.”
She’s not Valerie Newman? I don’t understand you. Valerie Newman is on the public record and on the movie database
Name: Valerie Newman
Birth Date: 1940
Address: 370 Montauk Cir, Syracuse, NY, 13212
Name: Valerie Newman
Birth Date: 1940
Address: 370 Montauk Cir, Syracuse, NY, 13212
You deny the Public record when it suits you. If you have specific links you want me to follow let me know. I don’t have time to follow all of them.
And I don’t have to prove anything. I can ask questions and there doesn’t seem to be any good answers forthcoming. In fact quite the opposite. Lack of interest and curiosity. And I’m looking for a female relative of Fred Newman called Valerie Newman. Martha Trowbridge didn’t say daughter, she said the mother was close to Fred, related to him.
And I don’t see any credible theory from the researchers. Sorry
499 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 2:28:21 AM by ABrit
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To: ABrit
I don’t deny the public record when it suits me.
You said THAT particular ACTRESS Valerie Newman is the person who was born in 1940. You support this by showing addresses for a woman in NY named Valerie Newman who was born in 1940. But there’s no confirmed link between that woman and that actress.
If the actress’s page that YOU linked to is the same woman that you claim is the one in NY, born in 1940, then that same woman is the mother of Janie and the wife of Curly Howard. Except she’s not, because THAT woman who was the wife of Curly Howard, according to IMDB, which you linked as a source, was BORN IN 1915 or thereabouts.
If you don’t follow the links, read them, digest them, consider conflicting evidence to your own hypothesis, and reconsider as a result, then what sort of honest research are YOU doing? Or are you just being obtuse?
You can ask all the questions you want, but as someone else said the other day: Do your own research; it’s not our job to do it.
Why aren’t you looking for a relative of Fred Newman named Jo Ann, since that’s the name Trowbridge, the CREATIVE WRITER, used? Or has she since decided to change Jo Ann’s name to Valerie?
500 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 2:44:25 AM by Greenperson
Curly finally got a happy break in 1947. He met an attractive brunette named Valerie Newman. The two fell in love and married on July 31, 1947. Valerie was to bear Curly a daughter, Janie, the following year. She truly loved Curly and was to stick by hs side, through his constant downhill ride over the next few years. Valerie was by Curly’s side 24 hours a day, feeding and bathing him as health continued its slow deterioration in the late 1940s.
http://www.neatorama.com/2012/01/18/whatever-happened-to-curly/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0628299/
THE ENGLISH ACTRESS, Valerie Elizabeth Newman was married to:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0939606/
CHARLES WOOD, Born:August 6, 1932 in St. Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands, UK
After a while, one cannot blame mere sloppy research.
Muddying the waters is the only other alternative.
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