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There’s no need for me to ‘speak up’ as you have suggested, all I need to do is go back over the same old same old garbage you posted before and ask you when you plan to answer the questions:

To: Greenperson
You are being deliberately obtuse. Did you not know this already? What king of research have you been doing?

Valerie Newman was born in 1940 not 1915 as you say.

She appears in the International Movie Database along with Valerie Sarruf http://www.imdb.com/
Looking at the dates of the films
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0628299/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0765586/

It seems likely that they are two names for the same actress. I’d need to see some of the movies to prove it, and getting copies may be problematic.

“We know who the person who wrote the tribute was: A clerk. Perhaps an errand girl for grocery store clerks.”

Why did an errand girl named Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary?

495 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 1:28:47 AM by ABrit
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To: ABrit
Quantico? Around that same time Roy Obama lived in the DC area.

496 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 1:41:40 AM by Greenperson
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To: ABrit
Deliberately obtuse? I might accuse you of the same.

Did you even look at the photo that I linked?

Did you notice that the page you yourself linked to says that Valerie Newman had a daughter with Curly Howard? Do you know who that is?

Curly of the 3 Stooges. The photo was taken sometime in the late 1940s. They married in 1947. He died in 1952. That’s Janie in the photo. When Curly married Valerie, she was thrice-widowed and age 32. Do the math.

Your other Valerie may have been born in 1940, but she’s not Valerie Newman. That other Valerie’s movies were made in the appropriate timeframe for a young woman born in 1940.

Do go get the movies for the other Valerie Newman and look at them before you decide that Valerie Newman was young in the 60s and changed her name to Sarruf.

By the way, you said specifically that “per IMDB” she changed her name. Would you care to link to where IMDB says that?

What kind of research are YOU doing? I do THOROUGH research before I jump to the conclusion that someone with a common name like Newman must be SOMEHOW, with no proof, related to Fred Newman.

I’m not saying that Jo Ann Newman, the clerk who wrote a tribute to Malcolm X, is NOT related to him; but since you make the claim, it’s your problem to prove it.

Brown Deer showed census records that indicate that Freddie Newman didn’t have any sisters named Valerie in 1940. While one may have been born later, there’s no evidence of that yet.

Trowbridge claims to know who Jo Ann is and even says she’s still alive and active in the cause; but Martha the creative writer doesn’t link sources or back up her claims with proof. Why is that?

The proof is in the pudding and so far all we see is trifle.

Public records searchs also say that Bari M. Shabazz is 52. He’s not. He’s dead, according to the Social Security index. So, how accurate are these public record searches? Have you ever searched for yourself on them? Do you find any mistakes? They’re compiled from databases that make assumptions about people and so, like Ancestry, they’re only as good as the people entering the data and making the assumptions. Garbage in, garbage out.

This is not our theory. It’s yours or at least you seem to own it here in Trowbridge’s name. So, it’s up to you to put out the evidence and convince others that it’s true.

497 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 2:03:18 AM by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
Correction: Valerie was thrice-MARRIED but a widow when she met Curly Howard. Now one thing to remember, the IMDB is, like Wikipedia, a user-edited website. Accuracy is not ensured. I see nothing that says Valerie Newman, Curly’s wife, was an actress, although she may have been. The IMDB definitely says Curly married the actress Valerie. http://encycl.opentopia.com/term/Curly_Howard That is the link where I found the approximate age for her. However, Curly’s wife Valerie died about 1962, so she could not have been in those late-60s movies. Something is wrong somewhere, which goes to show that you can’t rely on online databases. You need primary sources or at least more reliable ones than user-compiled sources.

498 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 2:23:58 AM by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
“Your other Valerie may have been born in 1940, but she’s not Valerie Newman. That other Valerie’s movies were made in the appropriate timeframe for a young woman born in 1940.”

She’s not Valerie Newman? I don’t understand you. Valerie Newman is on the public record and on the movie database

Name: Valerie Newman
Birth Date: 1940
Address: 370 Montauk Cir, Syracuse, NY, 13212
Name: Valerie Newman
Birth Date: 1940
Address: 370 Montauk Cir, Syracuse, NY, 13212

You deny the Public record when it suits you. If you have specific links you want me to follow let me know. I don’t have time to follow all of them.
And I don’t have to prove anything. I can ask questions and there doesn’t seem to be any good answers forthcoming. In fact quite the opposite. Lack of interest and curiosity. And I’m looking for a female relative of Fred Newman called Valerie Newman. Martha Trowbridge didn’t say daughter, she said the mother was close to Fred, related to him.

And I don’t see any credible theory from the researchers. Sorry

499 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 2:28:21 AM by ABrit
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To: ABrit
I don’t deny the public record when it suits me.

You said THAT particular ACTRESS Valerie Newman is the person who was born in 1940. You support this by showing addresses for a woman in NY named Valerie Newman who was born in 1940. But there’s no confirmed link between that woman and that actress.

If the actress’s page that YOU linked to is the same woman that you claim is the one in NY, born in 1940, then that same woman is the mother of Janie and the wife of Curly Howard. Except she’s not, because THAT woman who was the wife of Curly Howard, according to IMDB, which you linked as a source, was BORN IN 1915 or thereabouts.

If you don’t follow the links, read them, digest them, consider conflicting evidence to your own hypothesis, and reconsider as a result, then what sort of honest research are YOU doing? Or are you just being obtuse?

You can ask all the questions you want, but as someone else said the other day: Do your own research; it’s not our job to do it.

Why aren’t you looking for a relative of Fred Newman named Jo Ann, since that’s the name Trowbridge, the CREATIVE WRITER, used? Or has she since decided to change Jo Ann’s name to Valerie?

500 posted on Friday, 10 August 2012 2:44:25 AM by Greenperson