Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
“and you have stated that he wasn’t born in Hawaii, which is also totally uncorroborated and actually contradicted by ALL available documents, witnesses and pictures.”
I have NEVER stated that as a fact.
I have observed, as a trained fraud examiner, that his behavior indicates he is hiding something so serious that it threatens his eligibility and I have concluded that logically this is most likely an out-of-US birth.
I HAVE concluded that numerous verifiable documents and witnesses point to a near certainty that Stanley Ann Dunham is POTUS Barry’s mom. There are zero verifiable documents in support of any other mom for Barry.
That established, her whereabouts between Feb 2, 1961 when she was last documented to be in Hawaii at a marriage and her arrival in Seattle to start classes in Sept. 1961 are unverified.
I make no claim as to the sperm donor although I note the strong resemblance that baby POTUS Barry has to his deceased brother David. This resemblance between two babies claimed to be half-brothers supports that probability.
Most stories say that Obama,Stanley Ann Dunham was IN Seattle in 1961-62
Take a look at her transcript here: http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/AnnaUWashington.jpg
It says: Extension/Independent Stdy/Advance Placement Credit
My husband was an educator for 30 yrs and he says you DO NOT have to be physically in the state where you are taking extension classes if a college offers extension classes.
extension course`
n.
a college-level course in a program for students not regularly enrolled, often held in the evening, at off-campus centers, or through correspondence.
It appears that Stanley Ann Dunham could have been anywhere except Seattle in 1961.
“For the record, you actually have made statements in the past, stating that you believed that the FMD fantasies were possible.”
Depends on WHICH fantasies and saying that something is possible is NOT the same thing as claiming FMD was the dad.
I have stated that FMD had the means, motive and opportunity to father Barry AND/OR pay for Stanley Ann to go to Kenya to get her inconvenient pregnancy out of the way possibly having to do with FMDs KGB related activities in HI
I also regard BHO Sr. was being groomed as a future KGB asset in the soon-to-be-liberated Kenya.
That makes FMD a possible father of Barry, and BHO Sr. is also possible and the most likely father, IMO.
I have never claimed certainty.
“and you also stated, ‘Yusuf was born c. 1950 by all accounts’...”
Correct. Yusuf is Sarah’s oldest son and the oldest son of Onyango still living in Kenya. All the online genealogies I have seen put his birth c. 1950.
There is not a trace of any claim of an older brother to BHO Sr. named Joseph or having any other name that I have seen anywhere.
In an odd way, that makes sense. She apparently did want to go to the U of WA where her 'classmates' Susan Blake and Maxine Box were headed. But when one considers the distance involved from the Seattle address to the U of WA, Capitol Hill would be an unlikely choice for accommodation. And neither Susan nor Maxine saw her at the U of WA. Susan initially said she never saw SAD again after the day she told her she was flying out to Boston...
And Maxine maintains she saw SAD again iirc, AFTER the Anna Obama story broke. I'll have to let someone else comment on the U of WA record, as an Aussie, the terms are totally unfamiliar to me.
“Isn’t that what I said? and that is totally uncorroborated and actually contradicted by ALL available documents, witnesses and pictures.”
Yes, I am a retired Certified Fraud Examiner (CFE) and no, I never stated as a fact that Barry was born outside Hawaii. There are no reliable documents, witnesses or pictures corroborating a Hawaiian birth. The WH LFBC pdf is forged, IMO, and I expect it to be proved to forged soon in a criminal proceeding by the Cold Case Posse.
There are numerous claimed documents yet to be verified as well as witness statements from Gramma Sarah affirming a Kenyan birth. I have not claimed certainty for an out-of-US birth.
The marriage date of Feb 2, 1961 appears in the INS FOIA documents, the divorce filings and the existence of the marriage identified by bride and groom is claimed to be in the HI vital record database available to the public as a state index record. That is verifiable cross-corroboration of a marriage between Barack Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham.
The marriage is legally verifiable because in a lawsuit of any kind in which discovery was ordered, the documents could be subpoenaed under the federal rules of evidence.
In contrast there is NO evidence verifiable or not of ANY other marriage of BHO Sr. between the Kezia and Stanley Ann marriages or any evidence of him fathering any other children that were born live in the US besides the claimed birth of BHO II.
“There is a record in the safe at the Maseno School of an older brother named Joseph Obama, who attended the school until 1951.”
A record number is given for the card of BHO SR, but NOT for the claimed brother. In a card record system like that, as they clearly stated, each student has a card and on the information for the student is summarized on that card.
There are no quotes around the comment about the brother so it is not indicated that the comment was a verbatim statement being claimed to be read from any record card.
It the other brother existed and was not just a cousin with the same tribal name, he would have his own numbered card but no such card or card number was referenced as the source of the claim that the brother left the school in 1951.
This story at the school is a hearsay account written by a newspaper reporter. He claims to have seen documents but provides no images. No older brother, Joseph, exists anywhere that I have seen in all of the extensive family coverage and interviews of the Obama clan.
It's not even comic relief as it isn't even funny.
Is someone this desperate to adorn our posting pages with garbage?
Leni
“Unless you can prove otherwise, he went to the school until 1951 and probably died shortly after, since another brother was later named Yusuf.”
This was a stay uncorroborated hearsay comment reported by one reporter which does NOT rise to support probability of anything, IMO.
I have had numerous contacts with reporters and the almost always get something wrong or spin something. I always look for source document images or verifiable records in public repositories or public databases.
The British National Archive has all of the Obama family accurately recorded to colonial standards up until they left Kenya and with all of the serious researchers scouring it for family genealogical data it is extremely unlikely that the existence of an older brother, Joseph, would escape worldwide Obama family researchers. Such a person would be yet another long lost uncle of Barry’s and would be big news, if found, IMO.
Correct. I said that IMO a Kenya birth is likely, but NOT certain. Likely and certain are two different claims reflecting two very different probabilities.
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