[MattinNJ]

exactly

[Idabilly]

What is left but secession?

[chris37]

I’m ready.

I no longer want anything to do with this sick country.

[SecondAmendment]

We have one shot left, winning back the W.H. and getting a filibuster proof Senate before secession becomes our only option.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

[factoryrat]

If the government that you are currently affiliated with has decided to turn against you, and the interest of the people in your region, the succession is your way of recourse. Of course succeeding from the union now will result in a horrible bloodbath brought upon those who would even dare to challenge the feds supreme authority, although in the end it might be worth it. If anyone were to teach the feds the concept of humility, succession is how you would do it.

[Vince Ferrer]

My only disagreement at this point is that I don't want to be the secessionist, because I am the one obeying and want my leaders to obey the constitution. They are the secessionists. I want to be more of a restorationist.

[central_va]

Quotes of Jefferson Davis

“The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a ‘rebellion’ is a gross abuse of language.”

“Obstacles may retard, but they cannot long prevent the progress of a movement sanctified by its justice, and sustained by a virtuous people .”

“Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever.”

“The contest is not over, the strife is not ended. It has only entered upon a new and enlarged arena.” Jefferson Davis, address to the Mississippi legislature - 16 years after the wars end.

“The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.”

[Melas]

The problem is that unlike the old South, where there was a thoroughly Southern identity, no such state exists today. Being generous, you might find a state where secession enjoys support from 60% of the population. Secession simply isn’t possible when 4 out of every 10 people are against it. The type of majority that would be needed does not exist.

[central_va]

“The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.”

                         President Davis CSA

[spel_grammer_an_punct_polise]

This morning when I awakened to find out that the USSC upheld the totalitarian move, I immediately started reading about other countries in which to live. If I find one that is less intrusive, less taxes, etc, I’ll move there in a New York second. I have heard that American dollars go a long way in the Dominican Republic, for example.

[justa-hairyape]

IMHO - The US is going to fiscally implode just like the Soviet Union. The debt burden, cronyism and fiscal irresponsibility guarantees that fiscal collapse. Nothing can stop it at this point in time. So preparing for the collapse is a must. That is what all the prepping is really about. After the collapse, we will have the opportunity to split the states and reform into various nation entities. DC will simply become nonexistent as its money will become worthless. No one but Putin talks about the old Soviet Union anymore.

[catfish1957]

I cited this frrm the DOP on another John Roberts thread. It's meaning now should incur a lot of deep thought...

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

[Happy Rain]

Secession was made illegal by Abraham Lincoln—a great man but also the John Roberts of his day as far as empowering and enlarging the federal government is concerned.

...now rebellion against tyranny? THAT is sanctioned by the Founders and they (from Heaven) are probably wondering why we are taking so long.

[C19fan]

Abel Usher was an old-school Virginia aristocrat. He hated Jacksonian egalitarian Democrats as much as outsiders telling the South how to handle its “peculiar institution”.