Expert: Obama doc is 'proof' – of fraud

World Net Daily ^ | June 7, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

[conservativegramma]

Typeface analysis shows images come from different machines

The online image of a Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" was trumpeted by the White House when it was released on April 27 as "proof positive" that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Now an expert in typefaces and typography says it sure was "proof," but not of what the White House would have wanted.

Paul Irey, a retired professional typographer with 50 years experience in his business, has says an analysis of the typefaces used in the Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate that the White House released on April 27 reveals it absolutely to be a forgery.

"My analysis proves beyond a doubt that it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate to have been typed by one typewriter," Irey told WND.

"Typewriters in 1961 could not change the size and shape of a letter on the fly like that," he said. "This document is definitely a forgery."

Irey acknowledges that an IBM Selectric typewriter could have produced different typefaces in a given document, but only if the Selectric ball was changed every time a different typeface letter was struck which would be unlikely to have been done to produce the word "Student," for example, that had two different styles of the lower case "t."

[freedumb2003]

>>If you marry a foreign national and that foreign national
becomes a citizen before the child is born then the child is a Natural Born citizen.<<

But if that person does NOT become a citizen (a 2+ year ordeal) and the child is born on US soil, said child is NOT a Natural Born Citizen, right? And if the parent keeps dual citizenship and a citizen of both the USA and the native country...?

This is getting interesting — I can hold off on bedtime for a short while.

It wouldn’t hurt your cause to toss in a case or 2, but I won’t hold you to that. I am interested in your understanding of the law.

[muawiyah]

You can go back through all the Birthergate threads and find the information you claim i am assuming. There are OTHERS working on the issues who have actually GONE to the places and looked at stuff, and found out why the hospital name changed, and how they stored the records, and a myriad of other things.

A Freeper who very much imagines this to be a forgery came up with the information that the normal process was and is to fill out some of the information on the forms BEFORE they are sent out to the various possible birthing centers.

When they do that they DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE NAMES OF THE BABIES ARE GOING TO BE.

If you want to argue that point go back to those earlier threads, track down the individual and deal with them ~ not me.

And this stuff of imagining that maternity wards back in the early 1960s are the clean and perfect places we have today? Get Real!!! That was 1961 ~ half a century ago. Things were sloppier then. More babies died. Fewer nurses were as well trained as they are today. For all we know the typing may have been done by volunteers!

[sforkjoe57]

“That is saying that only 2nd generation Americans, and born on US soil, are Natural Born Citizens.”

Based on your standard for “Natural Born Citizen”, the child of the Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations would be a “Natural Born Citizen” (and eligible for the presidency) if born in New York City.

Maybe you should reconsider.

[little jeremiah]

LucyT, you probably for sure don’t want yet another one, but I just saw it, so pinging you just in case.

[freedumb2003]

>>Actually I think you were deliberately trying to confuse things by saying “2nd generation.” 1st generation Americans would be eligible to be President too as would any generation after that. A 1st generation American would be someone who was the child of an American citizen. That satisfies the jus sanguinus requirement.<<

We may be disagreeing abut semantics.

My definition of a 1st Generation American is someone who is the child of a person not born in the USA. Said child, based on assertions made here, would not be eligible for POTUS. The child of said child, assuming the other parent was also 1st or later generation, would be OK for POTUS.

The direct progeny would not be eligible.

[TigersEye]

Then, when the baby was born and one of the prepared forms selected, the rest of the information was typed in ~ e.g. BABY NAME.

That would explain differences in typefaces between one entry line and another but Mr. Irey found differences within the same word on some lines. Are you suggesting that they typed BA on one date and then came back and typed RACK to finish the word on another day on another typewriter as on line 8 of the form?

[freedumb2003]

>>Based on your standard for “Natural Born Citizen”, the child of the Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations would be a “Natural Born Citizen” (and eligible for the presidency) if born in New York City.<<

You are kind of arguing the flip side. If said child was born in a US Hospital, then yes, he/she would be eligible for POTUS under current law.

I ain’t saying it is right. I am just saying it is true.

[muawiyah]

Account for powder and oil ON THE FORM ITSELF. This isn’t being done in some nice and neat office environment with air conditioning and air filters.

[TigersEye]

My definition of a 1st Generation American is someone who is the child of a person not born in the USA.

That is a useless definition in its entirety. Is this parent, not born in the USA, a US citizen or not?

[Let_It_Be_So]

And it says my kids can be President even though my wife came from Mexico.

Do you say otherwise, despite the fact they can get USA passports with just Birth Certificates?

 

Freedumb, you have queried several posters about your kids being eligible to run for the presidency.  In an earlier post, you indicated that both you and your wife were US citizens at the time of the birth of your children in this country.

 

It would seem, therefore, your kids would be considered natural born citizens even if using the disputed definition of "born on US soil to citizen parents".

 

You seem to be a bright individual, so I assume I've missed something that would cause you to question posters as to whether they thought your children could theoretically become President of the US?

 

Would appreciate your enlightening me as to what I must have missed.    Thank you.

[TigersEye]

Said child, based on assertions made here, would not be eligible for POTUS.

I doubt that anyone here has said that since your definition is too vague to make any determination on.

[conservativegramma]

Not 50 yet personally, but close to 40. As to you knowing what you're talking about??? Riighttt...

I'll get back to you on that when I find a typewriter repair man than can turn my old Royal into an IBM selectric III in the repair process as you suggested was possible ;) (Need the garage sale funds).

So, let me say this about that, your boy AGREES WITH ME ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE TYPE ON THE FORM but he draws conclusions not supported by the evidence regarding the environments where the form was prepared.

Riiight.....environments you have demonstrated complete ignorance of. Perhaps he drew the conclusions he did, because he's more familiar with the 'environments' than you are? Keep spinning, makes you look silly. Sigh - Only a liberal would think spinning the absurdities about the office 'environment' that you are doing would actually work. Typists running around switching typewriters in the middle of words, jumping around the office hopping from one typewriter to the next, repairmen changing one make and model into different makes and models. LOL!

[conservativegramma]

Oh look the resident anti-birther troll showed up. I’m flattered.

[muawiyah]

I've been in hospitals. I've seen babies born.

There are things about it that are inescapably different than your sterile office environment. You'll just have to accept the fact that I know more than you can imagine.

At the moment I can't figure out whether you want to prove this forgery to be a forgery or that it's real? Which is it?

You can't just dismiss every anomaly as a sign of forgery. These ol'boys did a really good job.

[freedumb2003]

>>You seem to be a bright individual, so I assume I’ve missed something that would cause you to question posters as to whether they thought your children could theoretically become President of the US?<<

Thank you for asking so nicely.

It is a theoretical proposition, but one that could have happened. Had I had a child before my wife was a US Citizen, would said child be ineligible for POTUS?

It directly is on point because it describes barry zero’s (also theoretical) status at birth.

[DaveTesla]

"But if that person does NOT become a citizen (a 2+ year ordeal) and the child is born on US soil, said child is NOT a Natural Born Citizen, right?"

Correct.

Since the Natural Born clause ONLY presents only 1 limitation which is becoming president there could not be a litany of cases being adjudicated in the courts.

However there is McCain.
715, S. Res 511.

“Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a ``natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States”

Therefore, based on the original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers’ intentions, and subsequent legal
and historical precedent, Senator McCain’s birth to parents who were U.S. citizens, serving on a U.S. military base in
the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, makes him a ``natural born Citizen’’ within the meaning of the Constitution.
LAURENCE H. TRIBE.
THEODORE B. OLSON
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2703939/posts?page=58#58

[Jess79]

My own personal Brun Hilda typing instructor would have had a cow over such behavior.

My personal Brun Hilda had a cow over students' chewing gum in her class.

"Claaaaass, there's nothing more disguuuuuuusting then seeing a waaaaaaaad of gum come out of a student's mouth."

[Aliska]

You have all this expertise and logical explanations but you have yet to explain how a single word has different style characters in it. Why two boxes with the exact same pixel configuration?

I mean no disrespect but how many times in your career did you roll a paper out of one typewriter in the middle of a basic Hawaiian word like Honolulu (in your case something with several letters typed frequently), put it in another typewriter or even two and type in the spaces you left in the word(s) with the rest of the letters?

You are too smart not to know what we are talking about.

As to others, they have a right to their opinion, but there's plenty on this site that make conservatives look bad, so just skip the topic if you have "bigger fish to fry".

[freedumb2003]

I’ll repeat the potential situation:

It is a theoretical proposition, but one that could have happened. Had I (well, her) had a child before my wife was a US Citizen, would said child be ineligible for POTUS?

It directly is on point because it describes barry zero’s (also theoretical) status at birth.

Nothing vague there. Me, born in the USA, wife, foreign national not yet a citizen, child born on US soil. Child is eligible for POTUS?

Potential situation #2. Me, born in the USA, Wife dual citizen, both USA and her birth country, Child born on US soil. Child is eligible for POTUS? Go back and read what has been quoted to me and come up with conclusion.

[conservativegramma]

I've been in hospitals. I've seen babies born.

So have I. (Might want to look at my handle-LOL!)

Funny thing, never in any of those times, did I ever see nurses running around putting in forms, ripping them out, jumping up and running to another typewriter, rolling up the paper, typing a few more strokes, ripping out the form, jumping up and running to yet another typewriter, putting the form back in rolling it up, well...you get the picture.

NOT ONCE.

And btw: Your arrogant condescending attitude tells me you know squat. Particularly about office 'environments' which you have already demonstrated complete ignorance. I know more about 'environments' than YOU can possibly imagine.