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Dear Glenn Beck: Confederate Constitution mentions the word slavery ONE time.
Confederate Constitution ^ | 6/25/10 | Central_VA

Posted on 06/25/2010 4:31:27 PM PDT by central_va

Open Message to Mr. Beck (self proclaimed historian). Tonight on your TV show you said that you read the Confederate Constitution and I paraphrase "it had slavery written all over it, all about slavery blah blah blah". You are incorrect sir, I did a word search on the document and the word slavery appears "one" time. Everyone can try it for themselves at the link provided below.

CS Constitution

Can never trust a Yankee, even a goofy entertaining one.


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KEYWORDS: beck; civilwar; confederacy; glennbeck; itwasaboutslavery; lostcauserfail; secession; slavery; slavestates; slavetrade
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To: Non-Sequitur
My point is that an independent Vermont existed prior to the inception of the United States and although it fought alongside the thirteen colonies in the Revolution, Vermont did not join the United States until 1791. They were certainly a sovereign entity during that period and at one point entertained the idea of becoming a province of Canada.

IOW they engaged in exactly the same type of activities you earlier expressed skepticism about.

881 posted on 07/14/2010 5:59:59 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
If anyone is acting like a sex crazed poodle on this thread it's you sport.

That's rich, coming from Mr. "Who knows or cares what some tar heel thinks is facinating [sic]." You've got a heck of a lot more in common with algore than I do, sport! But I'm sure you're aware of that.

Don't you have a life, or is this it?

Is the rest of your life also focused on your South-hating bigotry - or is this it?

;>)

882 posted on 07/14/2010 6:06:45 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Non-Sequitur; cowboyway
That's assuming the individual states ever had the powers to delegate to begin with.

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So the States were never States outside of the Union - Is that what you are claiming? I'm assuming it is because of that whole Lincoln love affair and all.

When the people speak, they speak as their State. Period. Your boy, Webster, was sure in the hell corrected for your current line of thought:

It is fortunate when disputed theories, can be decided by undisputed facts. And here the undisputed fact is, that the Constitution was made by the people, but as embodied into the several States, who were parties to it; and therefore made by the States in their highest authoritative capacity

Federalist #39

. . . this assent and ratification is to be given by the people, not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.

Now do the people have the right to reassume their delegated authority ? Or you're going to really stretch the truth and claim that everyone on FR, and through out your old stomping grounds around San Francisco, whom do not receive mail in a specific state; are in fact, domiciled under Obama's desk? This of course is where you've been since his inauguration. So one can see why you wouldn't consider states as individual entities, which makes it difficult to see past the dictator's pants zipper.

883 posted on 07/14/2010 6:10:07 PM PDT by Idabilly ("When injustice becomes law....Resistance becomes DUTY !")
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To: Idabilly
So the States were never States outside of the Union - Is that what you are claiming?

Bingo.

884 posted on 07/14/2010 6:24:41 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Will this thread ever die?


885 posted on 07/14/2010 6:27:06 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
Will this thread ever die?

"This is the thread that never ends...it just goes on and on my friends...some people started posting it not knowing what it was...and they'll continue posting it forever just because...this is the thread that never ends...it just goes on and on my friends..."

With apologies to Sherri Lewis.

886 posted on 07/15/2010 4:22:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Idabilly
You're wasting your time with NS. He's a blue dog statist. In his perverted world we're known as 'The United STATE of America'.
887 posted on 07/15/2010 5:08:51 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: Non-Sequitur; central_va
IB: So the States were never States outside of the Union - Is that what you are claiming?

NS:Bingo.

"When, by the Declaration of Independence, [the nation of Virginia] chose to abolish their former organs of declaring their will, the acts of will already formally and constitutionally declared, remained untouched. For the nation was not dissolved, was not annihilated; its will, therefore, remained in full vigor; and on the establishing the new organs, first of a convention, and afterwards a more complicated legislature, the old acts of national will continued in force, until the nation should, by its new organs, declare its will changed." --Thomas Jefferson to Edmund Randolph, 1799. ME 10:126

888 posted on 07/15/2010 7:15:27 AM PDT by Idabilly ("When injustice becomes law....Resistance becomes DUTY !")
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To: Idabilly
Why did you leave this part out?

"In this case, as in all others, the true principle will be quite as effectual to establish the just deductions, for before the revolution, the nation of Virginia had, by the organs they then thought proper to constitute, established a system of laws, which they divided into three denominations of 1, common law; 2, statute law; 3, Chancery: or if you please, into two only, of 1, common law; 2, Chancery."

Jeffersonian hyperbole not withstanding, there was no nation of Virginia. Prior to the revolution there was the colony of Virginia, which was what the crown and Jefferson and everyone else in Virginia identified it as. At the signing of the Declaration of Independence there was the state or commonwealth of Virginia within the nation known as the United States of America. This status was grated by the Articles of Confederation, and when the Articles were replaced the Virginia was still one of 13 states within the United States. Virginia never once existed as a free and independent and sovereign state outside the United States. Not before the revolution. Not during the revolution. Not afterwards. The colony of Virginia may have had laws and a legal system, and the state of Virginia has the same. But at no time did Virginia have the power to overrule British law, or treat with other nations as an equal, or declare war, or perform any of the other powers a sovereign nation could perform. So never having been an independent entity to begin with how can they delegate powers they never enjoyed to begin with?

889 posted on 07/15/2010 7:35:01 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Idabilly; central_va; cowboyway
IB: So the States were never States outside of the Union - Is that what you are claiming?

Indeed they were States outside of the Union.

Counties and other municipal corporations were created by the States; but the States were not created by the United States, as the States existed as independent sovereignties before even the Union was formed. Words of US S CT Justice Nathan Clifford, Historical Evidence on the Origin and Nature of the Government of the United States, John Brown Dillon (New York, NY, SW Green, 1871), 28.

Under the Articles of Confederation each State retained its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, not expressly delegated to the United States. US S CT Justice Samuel Chase, Ibid., 28.

Before the new Constitution was adopted, she (Virginia) had as much right to treat and agree as any European government had. US S CT Justice John Catron, Ibid., 26.

That, a number of independent states may unite themselves by one common bond or confederacy, for the purposes of common defence and safety, and for the more perfect preservation of amity between themselves, without any of them ceasing to be a perfect, independent, and sovereign state, retaining every power, jurisdiction and right, which it has not expressly agreed shall be exercised in common by the confederacy of the states; and not by any individual state of the confederacy. St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries, Volume 1, Appendix D

890 posted on 07/15/2010 10:35:20 AM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: cowboyway
In his perverted world we're known as 'The United STATE of America

This certainly appears to be the case.

891 posted on 07/15/2010 10:43:48 AM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: cowboyway; Non-Sequitur
You're wasting your time with NS. He's a blue dog statist.

He's also an historical revisionist, as is obvious from his latest foray into the ozone (Post #884), and earlier trips as well (Post #659, etc.). When he's caught at it, he generally just refuses to respond. Apparently acknowledging reality is hazardous to his world view...

;>)

892 posted on 07/15/2010 3:15:25 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Who is John Galt?
When he's caught at it, he generally just refuses to respond. Apparently acknowledging reality is hazardous to his world view...

Reality is something we seldom have to worry about coming across in most of your posts, sport.

893 posted on 07/15/2010 5:09:41 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: southernsunshine
Indeed they were States outside of the Union.

When?

Counties and other municipal corporations were created by the States; but the States were not created by the United States, as the States existed as independent sovereignties before even the Union was formed.

When?

Under the Articles of Confederation each State retained its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, not expressly delegated to the United States.

When did they have the power to declare war or conduct relations with foreign countries or any of the acts that other sovereign entities could do?

Before the new Constitution was adopted, she (Virginia) had as much right to treat and agree as any European government had.

Justice Catron apparently had never read the Articles of Confederation.

894 posted on 07/15/2010 5:17:03 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
WIJG: When he's caught at it, he generally just refuses to respond. Apparently acknowledging reality is hazardous to his world view...

N-S: Reality is something we seldom have to worry about coming across in most of your posts, sport.

Care to address my Post #659? You declared in your Post #625 that "losing rebellions is a Southern trait and not a Northern one." Really? Care to comment on the 'real' location of the Whiskey Rebellion, Shays' Rebellion, Fries's Rebellion, or the Dorr Rebellion?

Were they "Southern" rebellions, as you suggested? Hmmm? Perhaps you meant "Southern" Pennsylvania, "Southern" Massachusetts, and "Southern" Rhode Island?

Just admit it: you're an historical revisionist - or else you're simply ignorant, or just a common liar...

;>)

895 posted on 07/15/2010 5:32:51 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Non-Sequitur; southernsunshine
Virginia declared their own independence two months earlier than the joint resolution. This was in May. So, they were in fact Independent and still are today, despite your hero's deeds or yours today.

Furthermore, the States delegated they never surrendered certain limited enumerated powers to their agent, the General Government. The States and their people retained unlimited authority that Sovereignty provides . It goes without saying that being able to reform, or abolish or start anew would be some, but not all of the powers reserved.

896 posted on 07/15/2010 6:11:10 PM PDT by Idabilly ("When injustice becomes law....Resistance becomes DUTY !")
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To: Non-Sequitur

So sport, either the Colonies acted independently or in unison. Which is it?


897 posted on 07/15/2010 6:33:39 PM PDT by Idabilly ("When injustice becomes law....Resistance becomes DUTY !")
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To: Idabilly
Virginia declared their own independence two months earlier than the joint resolution. This was in May. So, they were in fact Independent and still are today, despite your hero's deeds or yours today.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Furthermore, the States delegated they never surrendered certain limited enumerated powers to their agent, the General Government. The States and their people retained unlimited authority that Sovereignty provides . It goes without saying that being able to reform, or abolish or start anew would be some, but not all of the powers reserved.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Lost Cause imagination knows no bounds.

898 posted on 07/15/2010 7:33:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Idabilly
The States and their people retained unlimited authority that Sovereignty provides . It goes without saying that being able to reform, or abolish or start anew would be some, but not all of the powers reserved.

Hence, no trial for Jefferson Davis.

BTW, you ask great questions!

899 posted on 07/15/2010 7:41:55 PM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: Non-Sequitur
As I observed previously:

[N-S is] also an historical revisionist, as is obvious from his latest foray into the ozone (Post #884), and earlier trips as well (Post #659, etc.). When he's caught at it, he generally just refuses to respond. Apparently acknowledging reality is hazardous to his world view...

Thanks for proving my point (in Posts #892 & #895) yet again!

Come on, sport: just admit it! You're an historical revisionist - or else you're simply ignorant, or just a common liar...

;>)

900 posted on 07/15/2010 7:45:14 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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