Posted on 06/25/2010 4:31:27 PM PDT by central_va
Open Message to Mr. Beck (self proclaimed historian). Tonight on your TV show you said that you read the Confederate Constitution and I paraphrase "it had slavery written all over it, all about slavery blah blah blah". You are incorrect sir, I did a word search on the document and the word slavery appears "one" time. Everyone can try it for themselves at the link provided below.
Can never trust a Yankee, even a goofy entertaining one.
No there isn't, if your statement was true. But it's total Southron BS.
His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and independent states, that he treats with them as such, and for himself, his heirs, and successors, relinquishes all claims to the government, propriety, and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof.
So who was the Georgia representative who signed the treaty for the state? How about the Virginia signer? The North Carolina one?
Found a job yet, punkrr? I didn’t take you for a deadbeat, but, ‘Like father, Like son.’ And “N-S”is without question a deadbeat.
SIR,- We avail ourselves of the earliest opportunity since the official communication of the intelligence, of making known to your honorable body that the people of the State of South Carolina, in their sovereign capacity, have resumed the powers heretofore delegated by them to the Federal Government of the United States, and have thereby dissolved our connection with the House of Representatives. In taking leave of those with whom we have been associated in a common agency, we, as well as the people of our Commonwealth, desire to do so with a feeling of mutual regard and respect for each other- cherishing the hope that, in our future relations, we may better enjoy that peace and harmony essential to the happiness of a free and enlightened people.
JOHN M'QUEEN,
M. L. BONHAM,
W. W. BOYCE,
J. D. ASHMORE.
To the Speaker of the House of Representatives.
Their sovereignty hadn't been threatened. The Southern states were all for sovereignty and state's rights for themselves, and opposed to it for the other states. Hypocrisy has always been very much a Southron trait.
So who signed the Treaty of Paris for South Carolina anyway?
Strawman argument - anything posted by punkrr and his POS yankee buds
On the other hand so long as there is a village somewhere in need of an idiot, Idabilly will always have a job.
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Funny, coming from a bunch of warmongers.
Columbia, 17th December 1860
Strictly Confidential
My dear Sir,
With a sincere desire to prevent a collision of force, I have thought proper to address you directly and truthfully on points of deep and immediate interest.
I am authentically informed that the Forts in Charleston Harbor are now being thoroughly prepared to turn, with effect, their guns upon the interior and the city jurisdiction was ceded by this State expressly for the purpose of external defence [sic] from foreign invasion, and not with any view that they should be turned upon the State.
In an ordinary case of mob rebellion perhaps it might be proper to prepare them for such an outbreak, but when the people of the State, in sovereign convention assembled, determine to resume their separate and independent powers of sovereignty, the whole question is changed and it is no longer an Act of rebellion. I therefore must respectfully urge that all work on the Forts be put a stop to for the present, and that no more force may be ordered there.
The regular convention of the people of the State of South Carolina, legally and properly called under our constitution, is now in session, deliberating upon the gravest and most momentous questions, and the excitement of the great masses of the people is intense, under a sense of deep wrongs, and a profound necessity of doing something to preserve the peace and safety of the country. To spare the effusion of blood, which no human power may be able to prevent. I earnestly beg you immediate consideration of the points I call your attention to. It is not improbable that, under orders, either from the Commandant, or perhaps from the Commander in Chief of the Army, the alteration and defences [sic] of those Forts are progressing without the knowledge of yourself of the Secretary of War.
The Arsenal in the City of Charleston, with the public arms, I am informed, was very properly trusted to the keeping and defence [sic] of a State force, at the urgent request of the Governor of South Carolina. I would most respectfully, and from a sincere devotion to the public peace, request that you would allow me to send a small force, not exceeding twenty-five men and an officer, to take possession of Fort Sumter immediately, in order to give a feeling of safety to the community. There are no United State troops in that Fort whatever, or perhaps only four or five at present, besides some additional workmen or laborers, lately employed, to put the guns in order. The United States troops are stationed at Fort Moultrie. If Fort Sumter could be given to me as Governor, under a permission similar to that which gave the Governor permission to keep the arsenal, with the United States arms in the city of Charleston, then, I think, the public mind could be quieted, under a feeling of safety, and as the convention is now in full authority, it strikes me it could done with perfect propriety. I need not go into particulars, for urgent reasons will force themselves readily upon your consideration.
If something of the kind be not done, I cannot answer for the consequences. I send this by a private and confidential gentleman who is authorized to confer fully with Mr. Trescott and to receive, through him, any answer you may think proper to give to this.
I have the honor to be –
most respectfully –
Yours truly,
Signed. F. W. Pickens
To the President
of the United States.
I wouldn’t argue with non-sense. He is a yankee liberal, read: bigot, and any and all logic and facts bypass his brain if they don’t condemn the South.
Funny, coming from the people who started the war to begin with.
"The firing upon that fort will inaugurate a civil war greater than any the world has yet seen. Mr. President, at this time it is suicide, murder, and will lose us every friend at the North. You will wantonly strike a hornet's nest which extends from mountains to ocean, and legions now quiet will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary; it puts us in the wrong; it is fatal." -- Robert Toombs, April 1861
Translation: he always beats me whenever I try.
Interesting. Usually when someone sends a terrorist threat like this one they mention releasing political prisoners, a pile of cash, and a getaway plane.
I most cheerfully and truthfully declare that the failure of the undertaking has not lowered you a particle, while the qualities you developed in the effort have greatly heightened you in my estimation. For a daring and dangerous enterprise of a similar character, you would, to-day, be the man of all my acquaintances whom I would select. You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Fort Sumter, even if it should fail ; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result. Very truly your friend, A. LINCOLN.
So you're back to the "We wuz soooo stoopid we done fell raht into Linckum's trap" excuse?
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That all depends. If the judging party held favor towards Stalin-ism; then yes, you'd win hands down.
However, If the phrase “consent of the governed” held any weight.Like it did during the Days of TJ and others, you'd be up a creek.
And if the judging party held favor towards truth and accuracy then you and the Toad would lose every time.
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And we're off to the races
"It would be considered not only a declaration, but an act of war; and would be resisted to the utmost. Both sides are faithfully observing the Armistice entered into by the United States Government, which binds us not to reinforce Fort Pickens unless we shall be attacked or threatened. It binds them not to attack it unless we should attempt to reinforce it." Captain Adams
The U.S. did not reinforce Pickens until April 12th, when orders to bombard Sumter had been given and after attempts to force the Union forces out of their fort. It was Davis who resorted to war.
Depends on which one of the agreements you rebs say was in place. So far as I know, Lincoln didn't violate any of them.
".......To embark with Captain Fox, you will cause a detachment of recruits, say about 200, to be immediately organized at Fort Columbus, with competent number of officers, arms, ammunition, and subsistence, with other necessaries needed for the augmented garrison at Fort Sumter" April 4
Naw, we cain’t take Lincoln at his word here:
"You will fit out the Powhatan without delay. Lieutenant Porter will receive Captain Mercer in command of her. She is bound on secret service; and you will under no circumstances communicate to the Navy Department the fact that she is fitting out." BTW, That's April 1
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