I wonder how these guys felt about it as they slowly bled to death....
600,000 thousand....
Posted on 06/25/2010 4:31:27 PM PDT by central_va
Open Message to Mr. Beck (self proclaimed historian). Tonight on your TV show you said that you read the Confederate Constitution and I paraphrase "it had slavery written all over it, all about slavery blah blah blah". You are incorrect sir, I did a word search on the document and the word slavery appears "one" time. Everyone can try it for themselves at the link provided below.
Can never trust a Yankee, even a goofy entertaining one.
With all due respect, within this florid explanation I sense a whiff of equivocation. "Everyone was doing it" is no excuse.
However, slavery is not the total of that heritage.
It's inseparable and thus definitive. You can't have juleps on the veranda while men are being whipped on the back 40 and call it anything but a diabolical place.
To me, America's history of slavery is just that, America's history not solely a Southern legacy.
Absolutely, positively a sidestep and equivocation.
I see no modern face of slaveholders on this thread.
The originator of this thread by his own admission suggests that a couple more decades of slavery were better than a war to stamp it out. I'd call that (and his other assertions) consistent with a slaveholder's point of view
I see no sentiments expressed on this thread which are worthy of scorn and derision, much less men worthy of the same derogatory comments.
Based on your own statements, I can see why you feel that way, and I take a dim view of the opinion. Rationalizing 'your heritage' necessarily puts a class of people beneath you.
If the veterans, in the link below, could come together 50 years after the war with no such opinion of one another, who are we to judge?
How many ex-slaves were there? Jocularity among former combatants is one thing, but as has been pointed out, that 'reunion' was happy only for those not living in fear of the KKK and Jim Crow.
I do not see any indication of white supremacy in any statement on this thread.
Look closer
As ugly as the truth is, states rights included slavery in those days. Those were different times.
Agreed, different times, better compared to the holocaust than through some phony sentimental lens.
Reviewing the definition of a bigot, I don't fit the definition of a bigot. I don't see anyone defending their Southern heritage, on this thread, that fits the definition either.
Suggesting that blacks be confined to 'a few more decades of slavery' because it fits someone's ivory tower belief that it would have been better for the country is, in my view, the definition of bigotry. And I'd suggest that you don't see it because you agree with it.
If I understand your point with this comment, Sherman's march would have had to begin in states west of Georgia and would have taken him to points north of the mason-dixon line.
The slave mentality did then (and does now) need to be erased, permanently and completely. It was not.
I don't have the time or desire to teach a course in history to unwilling students. If it fits your worldview that 'the South' was something to be held up and idealized, well, you need more help than I'm willing to provide.
Cheers.
Marszalek makes the claim that Sherman owned slaves, yet provides no evidence supporting it. Sherman himself never claimed to own a slave. None of his other biographies mention it. In the letter to his foster father that Marszalek references in his footnote for that paragraph Sherman does not claim to actually own any slaves. It’s possible that he rented someone elses slave but that’s about it.
You made a valid point very well. It was I who failed to frame my question in a comprehensible manner! Thanks for your response.
To deny that Yankee land is not a hot bed of liberalism is to proclaim one’s idiocy.
I wonder how these guys felt about it as they slowly bled to death....
600,000 thousand....
LOL.
patriot preacher was trying to give pokie and imbeciles like you an ‘out’ for the thimble-brained show of bigotry. Thanks for proving him wrong!
And it’s a GD shame that traitorous morons like jeff davis caused those deaths.
Loyalty to ones state would seem like traitorous behavior to the Federalist/state-ist.
So you don’t mind that he’s responsible for the pointless deaths of 600,000+ Americans as long as you think he was acting out of loyalty to his state?
Says much about you AND him.
Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream by Lerone Bennett Jr., is another great read from a historian.
The responsibility belongs to the invading party, not the seceding one.
Oh dear...I didn’t realize that you were into outcome-based education. Even Bennett does not claim his book as history.
If you say so. Since the rebels invaded Sumter I guess we can just chalk the responsibility up to the south. Works for me!
The rat doesn't own the barn that he infests...
That's incredibly insipid - even for you. Wanna try again?
Ask a black slave what his freedom is worth, then get back to me.
They wrote it so they could own slaves hence about slavery.
I come up with 10 mentions of "slaves" or "slave-holding" in the CSA Constitution and none in the original US Constitution up to the Civil War.
To be sure the Framers got around that with phrases like "such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit" and "all other Persons" (other than free, that is), but they did avoid explictly mentioning slavery or involuntary servitude until they wanted to abolish it.
The Confederate founders didn't put slavery in every sentence, but if you read through the document, the word would certainly catch the alert reader's eye, especially in Article I, Section 9 and in Article IV, Sections 2 and 3. If you're cataloguing the differences between your Constitution and ours, the importance of slavery would be still more apparent.
So in this case Beck isn't entirely wrong, if he's wrong at all. Beck actually is right about some things -- many things, even -- but his personality turns a lot of people off.
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Good grief, since when are black liberation theorists considered historians?
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