I’ve been sitting back watching you guys rip apart Lincoln and anyone who dares to support him, and I’d like to pose a question to you. Had the Confederacy won their independence, what would the Confederate States of America be like today? What would the powers of the Presidency be like, the Congress, the Judiciary? What amendments would they have made to their Constitution - if they made any, given that the amendment process in the Confederate Constitution was much more difficult than in the U.S. Constitution. What would what we consider second amendment rights or first amendment rights be like? Education? Stuff like that. I’m genuinely curious on what your opinions would be.
The North would be a fully socialst/communist state. The South would be a free market economy pre-1930’s type America.
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They were not granted the Right of Self Determination. All other points are moot.
Let's say:
Lincoln had chosen the path of Friendly relations. Would we be better off?
The People spoke! They spoke for Secession. He denied the will of the People. People seem to forget all this. What you/me want is irrelevant. This Country is no longer "Free" and the so-called will of The People - Is - Nothing more than a Talking point.
When the people spoke - they - spoke as their state. We are running around in some huge Centralized nanny - State after Lincoln. Who's going to stop them now? Courts? It's not going to stop. Socialism is here!
Get ready for a boatload of confederate mythology. Hope you have your BS boots on.
no one knows what it would like like, it’s like anything in history, no one knows.
Maybe more states might have broken up or maybe in the south would be rich, leader of the world where as the north is run down due tot heir welfare programes, illegals, homosexuals having their agenda.
I guarantee that many yankees would be wanting to come down here like they still do.
Shame some of them are so thick they do not understand the south is not the north so don’t go try changing it as people get pissed off with you
I’m sorry but my crystal ball is on the blink right now but I will hazard a guess.
I imagine that if the seceding states had been allowed to go their own way in peace that over time the issues causing the separation would have been resolved and that there would be close cooperation, if not complete reunion, by now between the two nations. We would also still enjoy the constitutional republic(s) we once had instead of the mercantile empire Lincoln’s war imposed on us.
If the south had won a long and protracted war I speculate that the reparations required of the U.S by the Confederacy would have ruined them financially and that the most, if not all, of the former union states would have eventually either reunited with the confederacy or joined the Canadian union. They could not have survived as they then existed.
You ask an excellent question, but of an obdurate and hidebound audience.
The rebels threw together a poor imitation of the US Constitution (one could almost understand, what with the haste they needed to construct their little mutiny in the dead of night). It’s cornerstone celebrated the peculiar institution that compelled them to explode the system our founding fathers carefully crafted.
Having proven to themselves and any interested parties that “when the going gets tough, the rebels cut & run” ruled the day they would have very soon succumbed to the inevitable internal squabbles and power plays. At the same time they would be absorbed with defending their borders against foreign incursion and invasion.
Having played the role of grasshopper they would finally realize that they should have developed a more robust economy instead of one that lazily relied on their brethren for their keep. Unfortunately they would be realizing this as they were overrun by invaders who would carve them up and subjugate them. Hopefully they would fare better than the slaves they held as pawns.
Perhaps they would call upon their old brothers & sisters from the United States to bail their asses out, but I suspect that their fierce pride wouldn’t allow it.
At any rate it wouldn’t be the glorious south of Lost Causer mythology.
Had the Confederacy won their independence, what would the Confederate States of America be like today?
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I think that is an impossible question to answer. How can anyone know?
I’ve been sitting back watching you guys rip apart Lincoln and anyone who dares to support him.
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I don’t rip apart anyone that dares support him, just people that are obsessed with him and think he is like God(non-sequitur). People that have spent about 8-12 hours a day for 6 years pissing on anyone and anything that has to do with the South(non-seqitur). At some point a debate became something that became all consuming with NS. Copy and pasting things out of context, hoping that people will believe him, is not going to go uncontested.
I remain a Linclon hater and will remain so until the day I die. He is no better than any common run of the mill terrorist. He is responsible for the slaughter and destruction in the South. Granted he paid the ultimate price in the end, but it still didn’t being back the hundreds of thousands of lives that were lost, property that was destroyed and seized.
I hope Lincoln enjoys eternity in hell, because that is where he is.
Post #715 was intended for you.
Nobody has a crystal ball, but the idea that all conflict and change would stop if the South got its way is nonsense.
Look back at the turbulent history of populism in the South and you'll be able to surmise that there would have been plenty of conflict between haves and have nots.
With race as an issue things get even messier.
Look back at how the South was even fifty years ago and you'll get a clue as to how things might have been in an independent Confederacy.
To some extent, being part of a larger country allowed the Deep South the opportunity to defuse tensions that might have been explosive in a more confined environment. For all the complaining, being part of a superpower has had advantages for both North and South.
What the CSA Constitution would be like 150 years on is hard to say, but one can't assume that the political climate would be harmonious -- or even as civil. It's also not clear that the region would be as prosperous as it is has become.