Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod
Hi FRiends,
I have two brothers who I love very much, they’re young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and I’m hoping that one day they’ll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I don’t think makes much sense:
Abe Lincoln was a dictator.
There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.
I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.
Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod
Jeff Davis's regime was much more oppressive and bloody than Lincoln. If opponents of the Union in the North were sometimes in danger of jail, opponents of the Confederacy in the South often were in danger of their lives. Some locales under Confederate control could be described as being under a reign of terror.
Was Jefferson Davis a dictator?
If Lincoln and many other Republicans thought freeing slaves was not a good idea, why did they expend so much effort and political capital to forever end slavery by constitutional amendment?
You jumped in when I laughed at the notion that the South was some magical wonderland where black and white got along swimmingly and developed the only true "culture" ever known on this continent.
In other words, defending the defender of slavery.
Own it.
“Please. Explain to me how slavery can be considered a compassionate institution by any definition of the word. I really, really want to know.”
Again, equality spoke only to the origins of the institution being founded of compassion and left the moral conclusion to the reader. The question to which you seek an answer is a question each must answer for himself.
Try post 236 or 297. Defending slavery as “compassionate” and “Biblical.”
Was the North any better?
I bet you were saving that one for just the right moment.
How is supplying a market for raiders to go deep into Africa and capture people for sale “compassionate”?
People wanted slaves. Slave markets rose up in response to this. Southern plantation owners didn’t win a war over African natives. They just paid for others to kidnap them so they could buy them.
Again, what possible evidence is there of slavery beginning as an altruistic act? Slavery, from the moment it began, was a barbaric act of one person oppressing another. There is not, and never has been, any compassion in it at all.
I believe we won the war and freed the slaves. So yes.
Is that even a question? Have you studied no history at all?
And a bit of a piker compared to Hitler as well.
Lincoln was NOT an abolitionist. William Lloyd Garrison, the most prominent of all abolitionists, concluded that Lincoln “had not a drop of anti-slavery blood in his veins.” Lincoln was against social and political equality of the races, he opposed inter-racial marriages, supported the Illinois Constitution’s prohibition of immigration of blacks into the state, defended a slave owner who was seeking to retrieve his runaway slaves but never defended slaves or runaways themselves, and he was a lifelong advocate of colonization....of sending every last black person in the U.S. to Africa, Haiti, or central America.... anywhere but in the U.S.
In August of 1852 Lincoln said “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it....what I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union.” Lincoln also said on September 18th, 1858, “I will say, then, that I am not, nor have I ever been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.” In 1861 Lincoln was asked “why not let the South go in peace?” He replied by saying “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government?”
Really? Imagine that. Talking to myself. Hmmmmmm.....on a message board with all these people? I’m sure you will excuse me. I am 145, ya know. Now, Dearie, what were you saying? Bless your heart.
It is a joke. I guess that went right over your head.
“How is supplying a market for raiders to go deep into Africa and capture people for sale “compassionate”?”
This isn’t the subject to which I refer. What I am speaking of is the ORIGIN of the institution. The BEGINNING of the institution. What I am NOT speaking of is the institution itself. The moral issue of slavery vs death is the root of the compassionate argument. Which is more compassionate slavery or death? That is a question each man must answer for himself.
You never lived in the South, why are you so obsessed with slavery? It was longgggggggggggggg ago. I didn’t have slaves, neither did you. It’s way past time they got over it.
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“See our present condition-—the country engaged in war! Our White men cutting one another’s throats! And then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or another. Why should the people of your race be colonized, and where? Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this be admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated. It is better for both, therefore, to be separated.” Dishonest Abe
That’s his wingman, Buckeyetexan. NS is from Chicago.
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