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Abe Lincoln was a dictator??? (Need Help combating loony argument)

Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod

Hi FRiends,

I have two brothers who I love very much, they’re young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and I’m hoping that one day they’ll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I don’t think makes much sense:

Abe Lincoln was a dictator.

There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.

I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.

Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod


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To: HospiceNurse
When Lincoln and the military refused to honor the writ, Chief Justice Taney in Ex-parte MERRYMAN declared Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional.

A single justice can not rule for the entire court. Taney ruled on Merriman as a district circuit judge, not as a member of the Supreme Court. The full court never heard the Merriman case because it was moot by the time they came back into session.

But by your reply, can we assume you support civilian trials for Al Quida terrorists as opposed to military tribunals? Does habeas corpus apply to terrorists seeking to destroy the nation?

181 posted on 04/19/2010 11:46:15 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Non-Sequitur

Boat loads of personal information is what you supply daily on FR. You can’t keep your mouth shut.


182 posted on 04/19/2010 11:46:53 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Golly gee whiz, is there nothing you won’t claim credit for?


183 posted on 04/19/2010 11:48:10 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Canadian rye?

Now Maryland Rye... that’s a different story.


184 posted on 04/19/2010 11:48:18 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Non-Sequitur; manc; Travis McGee
The major difference between the South and yogurt is that yogurt has a living culture.

You.... are a sad, despicable, little man.

185 posted on 04/19/2010 11:48:52 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: mojitojoe

It’s irrelevant now. Thank a Yankee.


186 posted on 04/19/2010 11:48:58 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Salamander
Constitutionally provided anarchy. Bummer of a detail, that.

Did you forget a sarcasm tage? Where in the Constitution is anarchy sanctioned?

187 posted on 04/19/2010 11:49:15 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: mojitojoe
Boat loads of personal information is what you supply daily on FR. You can’t keep your mouth shut.

A true pot-meet-kettle moment if I ever saw one.

188 posted on 04/19/2010 11:49:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Vendome
I thought NS was from the South?

Hell no!

189 posted on 04/19/2010 11:49:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Ditto

But by your reply, can we assume you support civilian trials for Al Quida terrorists as opposed to military tribunals?

Hate to butt in, but how does military tribunals for captured alien un-uniformed terrorist equate to American citizens denied of their Constitutional rights? Don’t think there is any parralell. Just sayin.


190 posted on 04/19/2010 11:49:55 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: mojitojoe
So sayeth that wannabe Constitutional scholar, the master copy and paster Chicago Yankee, race obsessed, non-sequitur.

Considering your post 151 that's yet another pot-meet-kettle moment. Two within minutes of each other. You're on a roll today.

191 posted on 04/19/2010 11:51:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: mojitojoe
You.... are a sad, despicable, little man.

Awww, does this mean we aren't buddies anymore? How ever will I get along without your approval? Oh woe is me!

192 posted on 04/19/2010 11:53:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
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193 posted on 04/19/2010 11:56:07 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Nope. I’m a Presbyterian.

That makes you a co-religionist of the Puritans then, does it not?

Don’t think so. It probably makes me an Orangeman, much like Andy Jackson.


194 posted on 04/19/2010 11:56:32 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Non-Sequitur

OBONGO is gay, I don’t call Lincoln gay but there it’s obvious that you are obsessed with gay rights and race. Oh wait, you’re a liberal.


195 posted on 04/19/2010 11:57:33 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: Vendome

HELL no, he HATES the South. He’s from Chicago, now lives in Kansas.


196 posted on 04/19/2010 11:58:09 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: mojitojoe

OBONGO is gay, I don’t call Lincoln gay but there it’s obvious that you are obsessed with gay rights and race.

They are both from Illinois, so maybe both of them are gay? Not that there is anything wrong with that.


197 posted on 04/19/2010 11:58:58 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Non-Sequitur

Not hardly. Your entire life history is right here on FR.


198 posted on 04/19/2010 12:00:19 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Ok now I will have to mention gay. Is this non-sequitur Jane? Because that post sure sounded like a homo. Oh.. Woe is me? You are a sissy.


199 posted on 04/19/2010 12:02:05 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: mojitojoe
now lives in Kansas

Pottawatomie Creek?

200 posted on 04/19/2010 12:02:35 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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