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Jefferson vs Lincoln: America Must Choose
Tenth Amendment Center. ^ | 2010 | Josh Eboch

Posted on 03/10/2010 6:35:02 PM PST by Idabilly

Over the course of American history, there has been no greater conflict of visions than that between Thomas Jefferson’s voluntary republic, founded on the natural right of peaceful secession, and Abraham Lincoln’s permanent empire, founded on the violent denial of that same right.

That these two men somehow shared a common commitment to liberty is a lie so monstrous and so absurd that its pervasiveness in popular culture utterly defies logic.

After all, Jefferson stated unequivocally in the Declaration of Independence that, at any point, it may become necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them…

And, having done so, he said, it is the people’s right to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Contrast that clear articulation of natural law with Abraham Lincoln’s first inaugural address, where he flatly rejected the notion that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Instead, Lincoln claimed that, despite the clear wording of the Tenth Amendment, no State upon its own mere motion can lawfully get out of the Union; [and] resolves and ordinances [such as the Declaration of Independence] to that effect are legally void…

King George III agreed.

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; abrahamlincoln; confederate; confedertae; donttreadonme; dunmoresproclamation; greatestpresident; history; jefferson; lincoln; naturallaw; nutjobsonfr; statesrights; thomasjefferson
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
The statue also shows a bare breasted woman with a shield leading the men. How many of those were there in the rebel army?

Not nearly enough.

481 posted on 03/15/2010 1:08:28 PM PDT by x
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
“The statue also shows a bare breasted woman with a shield leading the men. How many of those were there in the rebel army?”

Reb’s do attract allot of good looking females.

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482 posted on 03/15/2010 1:09:37 PM PDT by Idabilly
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

LOL! I see the concept of metaphor is lost on you.


483 posted on 03/15/2010 1:10:41 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
That’s easy. The man is obviously incredulous because, just like you, he made a false presumption and was amazed that the reality was the direct opposite of his false belief.

Of course.

As with almost everything associated with the War Between the States you can find quotes that support both views. Rebels who were horrified at the thought and those who petitioned for it.

Sure you can.

Gen. Lee was anxious to receive regiments of black soldiers.

Of course he was. From a January 1865 letter: "Considering the relation of master and slave, controlled by humane laws and influenced by Christianity and an enlightened public sentiment, as the best that can exist between the white and black races while intermingled as at present in this country, I would deprecate any sudden disturbance of that relation unless it be necessary to avert a greater calamity to both. I should therefore prefer to rely upon our white population to preserve the ratio between our forces and those of the enemy, which experience has shown to be safe. But in view of the preparations of our enemies, it is our duty to provide for continued war and not for a battle or a campaign, and I fear that we cannot accomplish this without overtaxing the capacity of our white population."

I think if you insert the work “Union” before the word “combat” it becomes easier to understand.

Except that it's hard to find examples where the rebel army shot down white Union troops rather than allow them to surrender. Their record of doing that against black Union troops is quite different. Why the difference if not for the fact that the idea of an armed black man opposing them was something they couldn't stomach?

484 posted on 03/15/2010 1:12:49 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Only you would be surprised that someone would not go chasing off to read fodder for which you yourself would claim no veracity.

Seriously, that surprises you? LOL.


485 posted on 03/15/2010 1:12:53 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

So you admit that the statue is metaphor and not an accurate portrayal? Or is it just the parts that advance your agenda that are to be taken as absolutely accurate?


486 posted on 03/15/2010 1:13:29 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Idabilly

And yet my side won the war and your side lost. Maybe your women would have done better.


487 posted on 03/15/2010 1:14:48 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Only you would be surprised that someone would not go chasing off to read fodder for which you yourself would claim no veracity.

Especially when it contradicts your preconceived notions and when you have nothing to refute it with.

Seriously, that surprises you? LOL.

Well, no. I guess not.

488 posted on 03/15/2010 1:15:21 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Idabilly

I would love wrapping that flag around me.

Our northern antagonists just got all excited, thinking I said “fag” and for once were going to agree with me.


489 posted on 03/15/2010 1:16:32 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

No. I will not refute websites which you post and then won’t vouch for.

I’m just not stupid like you, I guess.

Here’s a web site I can’t vouch for. Now, demonstrate to me how to be a dumbass and go and refute all that is posted there. Go on. Show me how to do it SFB.

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/blackcs.htm#What%20About%20Black%20Confederates%20in%20Missouri


490 posted on 03/15/2010 1:19:20 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Our northern antagonists just got all excited, thinking I said “fag” and for once were going to agree with me.

You guys really are obsessed with gays, aren't you?

491 posted on 03/15/2010 1:42:14 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
“And yet my side won the war and your side lost. Maybe your women would have done better.”

And yet your side sent immigrants to fight your war.Maybe you should ‘grow a pair’ next time.

492 posted on 03/15/2010 1:59:36 PM PDT by Idabilly
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
"You guys really are obsessed with gays, aren't you?"

Go drool,fag boy.

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493 posted on 03/15/2010 2:09:02 PM PDT by Idabilly
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To: Lee'sGhost

Oh, go put on some butternut and make some black powder smoke.


494 posted on 03/15/2010 2:09:58 PM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
No, I was referring to Constitution's tour(s) in the slave patrol off the hump of Africa in the 1840's and 1850's. Until, as you say, her retirement.
495 posted on 03/15/2010 2:37:30 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Non-Sequitur
War is hell.

What state did you say you live in?

Parking lot.

General welfare clause, implied powers, Commerce Clause -- and screw you!

496 posted on 03/15/2010 2:44:39 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Idabilly
And yet your side sent immigrants to fight your war.Maybe you should ‘grow a pair’ next time.

My side was the one that immigrants wanted to come to. European immigration to the south was miniscule compared to the north for decades before the war because immigrants can't compete with slaves. Of course we had more immigrants.

One of my ancestors, by the way, was among those immigrants.

497 posted on 03/15/2010 2:47:37 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Here’s a web site I can’t vouch for. Now, demonstrate to me how to be a dumbass and go and refute all that is posted there.

Oh I think you're demonstrating that well enough on your own.

498 posted on 03/15/2010 2:53:24 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Lentullusgracchus complains about Grant being a drunk and Idabilly complains about the army being full of immigrants. It must be embarrassing as hell to have lost to a lush leading a bunch of foreigners.


499 posted on 03/15/2010 2:57:44 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
“Lentullusgracchus complains about Grant being a drunk and Idabilly complains about the army being full of immigrants. It must be embarrassing as hell to have lost to a lush leading a bunch of foreigners.”

Want a rematch? I sure in the hell do...

I will not be reconstructed

500 posted on 03/15/2010 3:06:41 PM PDT by Idabilly
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