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I would be surprised that here is nobody her in the US who was born in Kenya around that date. Of course that does not make them specialists but with 2 or 3 authentic BC from Kenya of exactly that year, an examiner should be able to certify if this one is authentic or not. If we manage to spread the word in a way or another and find 2 or 3 guys like that with those BC, we should find a way to authenticate this one.

It is useless in my opinion to insult IS since, until today, NOBODY proved this one is a fake. May be it is, but here is nothing to prove it's a fake. So let's be nice and positive. We may have the smoking gun without knowing it. We absolutely have to find a way to have it examine once and for all, offically. And then we will see what to do next.

I want to make one thing very clear here.

Seizethecarp has been one of my greatest supporters for some time now. He has never ridiculed me or attacked me. He is an objective thinker and has inside knowledge.

I cannot confirm that his legal theories are correct or incorrect but I can’t tell you that anything he posts on Freerepublic regarding me (Lucas) or the 1961 CPGH Obama birth certificate in done so only in support of the truth.

I admire and respect Seizethecarp in big way. I don’t want anyone here to think that any of his legal opinions are in any way meant as a jab towards me or the cause.

If there’s a true Patriot to be found here on the wavelength of Freerepublic than we need look no further than Seizethecarp.

"It is useless in my opinion to insult IS since, until today, NOBODY proved this one is a fake."

I do not believe that I have insulted InspectorSmith in any way.

I am merely pointing out what has kept Smith's CPGH BC from being introduced as evidence that can be relied on in US federal court.

The federal court judge where Lucas Smith filed this BC in an affidavit said that even if Kenyan authorities themselves authenticated it, he, Judge Carter, would have to give judicial preference to a certified HI COLB, should one be placed in evidence and not successfully challenged in some way.

Judge Carter specifically stated that merely placing an authenticated Kenyan BC into evidence, presumably even with testimony from the hospital administrators, it would not be enough to overcome a certified BC from a state in the US in his court. HI says Obama was born there. Kenya might say Obama was born there. Judge Carter says he, as a US judge, would side with HI absent a reason to question the HI COLB.

That's where the original HI vital records and any amendments come in and where Obama could, in theory, be vulnerable.

If HI is relying on amended vital records that originally reported a Kenyan birth, but were subsequently amended with affidavits to show an HI birth, a judge might rule in favor of the Kenyan CPGH BC, if it were authenticated under the FRE.

For example is Stanley Ann filed and affidavit in support of an amended vital record and COLB for Obama in 1982 saying she fooled her mom who had first reported a Kenyan birth (like the Blaine BC) which was reported in the HI newspapers, but Stanley Ann had only "pretended to her mom" to go to Kenya and now recants and says she "actually" stayed in HI the whole time she was pregnant and gave birth out in a pineapple field.