A third party within the republican party, yes.
A third party outside of the republican party...no.
I’m for conservatives taking back the GOP. I would hate to give up the Party of Lincoln and Reagan.
And don't tell me to go through the primary process. Thanks to McCain-Feingold, the primaries are nothing more than incumbent conveyor belts.
The time to at least threaten The Republican Party with a third party challenge is now, not during the election season.
Besides, it's not my job to fall in line with The Republican Party.
It's The Republican Party's job to find candidates I would vote for.
As for our side, the focus must be to take back the Republican Party. That's the way you win....We need a strong conservative movement that takes back the Republican Party and then we have a strong Republican Party. It's hard work but it is happening.More from the link!
And I know the Republican Party has let a lot of people down by not advocating conservatism or implementing it as they campaigned on.I grabbed some names from This Thread, I think it will be of interest to those of you that I added in the "to" box....there are clear differences between liberals and even moderates Republicans. RINO Republicans are a different thing altogether. The problem politically here is the war within the Republican Party over who is going to dominate it and lead it.
There is a conservative ascendancy here. Why in the world waste what is happening here with this new conservative ascendance and weaken it and split it up by forming a third party? So far, not a single Republican is going to vote for government-run health care.
Now, I'm the first to tell you, and I'm the first to agree that the Republican Party has screwed up and it needs to continue to find its legs, and with our help, it will have no choice but to become a traditional conservative party.
The Republican Party right now has lost its way. This conservative ascendancy can help it find its way.
...we are not populists, we're constitutionalists, we are conservatives. And when a majority of us are in control of the Republican Party, the Republican Party wins.
MUCH better title !!
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In my lifetime, Ronald Reagan has been the only president I was proud to call my president. Other Repubs such as our last Bush, I knew were not true conservatives. All his so called “compassionate conservatism” did was slide the Repub party further to the left. I didn’t like his brand of mediocre conservatism - if it could even be called that - but it was better than the alternative.
But we can no longer be content to live with such mediocrity. In my opinion, it is now or never. The community organizer has pushed everything to the breaking point. The very survival of this nation is at stake.
If we drop the ball now at this critical juncture, the consequences are going to be terminal. So what do we have in this critical situation, when every election is decided by razor edge margins? Enter Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, and the third party’ers.
Their divide and conquer campaign has the potential to bring down this country. This is the worst possible time to be supportive of a third party. I say let’s send the Rino’s home, let’s get to work and elect real conservatives.
The Republican party needs LOTS of reformation to return to conservatism, but there are no Marxists, Maoists, population control by sterilization, give animals legal rights, pedophile policy, pro-infanticide members of the Republican party.
I agree with Rush. GET REAL.
When the GOP nominee shows uip at Soros Shadow Conventions and rails against corporate greed and ecessive profits then they are very similar. Stop nominating RINO’s.
Let’s give Hugo Chavez a Hawaian Birth Certificate and run him as a Republican.
He can’t be much worse than some of our RINOs.
If the GOP wants our campaign dontations and votes they should stop trying to appease our Progressive/Communist enemies and start representing their conservative base.
Admit it, some of you FR GOP zombies would vote for a Chavez if he had an “R” next to his name.
Yup.....
.....Except the RINOs are a RAT-like third party that has hijacked the GOP.
Kick the RINO's out, and then the two parties will truly be different!
The GOP is not going to get my vote if they can't run Conservative canidates. Huck is not a Conservative. Nor is Hatch, Alexander, Graham, McCain, Snowe, Collins, Pete Sessions, Zack Wamp, etc. I really don't care if RINO's who act like Liberal DEM's get re-elected. I won't vote for them no matter what kinda boogie man, scaremongering, you're either with us or them tripe the GOP uses.
I don't really want to go through a litany of all the bone-headed screw-ups from when they had the presidency, the senate, and the house. They had it and they spent money like drunken sailors and allowed their liberals to sabotage every conservative initiative they attempted. There might be differences in rhetoric, but there are no differences in results.
The Constitution was not designed for “party politics” and in it’s very second presidential election foundered because of party politics.
There are no “polical” solutions, and political “parties” like government “are the problem.”
“Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,... to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man.” —Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.
“I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.” —Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.
Hank
Limbaugh and his sidekicks have spent years reaffirming that they are not Republicans. It’s the main reason I gave up listening because his refusal to identify as a Republican hurt our side repeatedly. He became a voice for the disgruntled malcontents.
It used to be us agaist them. Now it’s us against third party and them. There are only two sides viable and you either have to pick a side or shut up. I guess Beck is finally waking up people like limbaugh—hopefully illustrating the absurd TO rush— by being absurd. Beck is just silly with that nonsense and he really IS giving a glimpse into how bad it’s going to get with split votes if he has his way.
THANK YOU for starting this thread, Halfmanhalfamazing (see my tagline).
I'm all for Ralph Nader running again. I'd love for Howard Dean to get fed up or some other Democrat to get fed up with Obama and I'd love for a third party of Democrats and liberals to establish itself. I want all kinds of liberals to line and up run in third parties. That's how we weaken their side. As for our side, the focus must be to take back the Republican Party. That's the way you win. You can draw attention to yourself by denouncing both parties at the same time, and you can think that you're relating to a whole lot of people or being disabused and forgotten about, but you do a grave disservice in doing so because you're never going to win anything. You're going to guarantee Democrat victory in perpetuity. We need a strong conservative movement that takes back the Republican Party and then we have a strong Republican Party. It's hard work but it is happening.
Amen, Rush! (AND Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity...)
Not when 2/3rds of Conservatives stand outside of the party.
"The way you win" has always been to support Conservatives. Party has nothing to do with it. In fact, the Republicans stand against Conservatism, and have done so since Reagan left the White House.
You can draw attention to yourself by denouncing both parties at the same time, and you can think that you're relating to a whole lot of people or being disabused and forgotten about, but you do a grave disservice in doing so because you're never going to win anything.
Neither are the Republicans without the Conservatives - who are no longer bound to the agreements made with Reagan.
You're going to guarantee Democrat victory in perpetuity. We need a strong conservative movement that takes back the Republican Party and then we have a strong Republican Party. It's hard work but it is happening.
No, it's not. And it will not. The Republicans have seen to that. Rush has lost credibility. What he is for is the status quo. His endorsement of Romney says it all.
Get real - the third party “crap” would never have happened had not one party in Washington abused its power and broken its promises to its voters of fiscal responsibility and smaller government. Guess which one?
If the Republican party is so convinced that it is the only place for Conservatives, why doesn’t it act as if it wants to be their leader?
If I can’t vote for either of the candidates the two main parties loft to run, what can I do about it? Last time I took a pass on voting for either of them. If we get another RINO in 2012, guess what, I’ll be taking a pass again.
Listen carefully folks.
I SIMPLY REFUSE TO VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO MOVE THIS NATION TO THE LEFT. END OF DISCUSSION.
If John McCain is going to...
Close Gitmo...
Move the detainees to the U.S....
Allow detainees court access in the U.S., and you can’t stop that if you move them here...
Grant amnesty to 20 to 35 million illegals...
Allow chain migration to see two to five people brought over for every illegal granted amnesty...
Set up a work programs that allows still millions more to pour in over our borders legally...
Cut the F22 program...
Cut one of our defensive missile systems...
Make overtures that the U.S. needs the LOST treaty...
Make overtures the U.S. needs the ICC...
Establish joint ventures with Sorros, Terresa Heinz Kerry, and The Tides Founation...
Vote for some of the most liberal judges we have on the Supreme Court today...
Leave his Conservative running mate twisting in the wind for over a year...
And much more...
Why should I vote for his sorry ass?
The Republican party has stolen my voice. It does not represent me. It’s candidates don’t represent me.
People point to the Health Care bill votes. They also point to the Stimulus Vote. What they don’t point to is the Medication Addition to Medicare Bill, and TARP funds. Who voted for those en mass?
The Republican party can claim to be fiscally conservative, but we all know better. The only reason why they didn’t support the Stimulus is because of backlash to TARP. The only reason they aren’t supporting the Health Care bill now, is because the rank and file are furious for prior moves.
This isn’t a party with backbone. It’s been missing in action in my state for many years. Pete Wilson was the last guy to even act as if he knew what Conservatism was all about, and he didn’t. Since that time the RP doesn’t even send it’s Presidential Candidates to California more than once or twice leading up to a general election.
Why should I support it? Why should I vote for leftists from the ranks of the Republican party, that are hell bent on moving his nation even farther to the left.
I’m sorry folks, but the old canard about the left being worse, so I have to vote for the Republican doesn’t sell anymore. Okay, so the Republican is better on four issues this time. He passes everything else that is leftist and doesn’t bat an eye lash. Then the next RINO comes along and vote for those four things, only he won’t vote for four other things that we are against. And then the next guy does. We simply cannot continue to vote in people who are going to pass major portions of the Left’s agenda, during their four years in office.
Orin Hatch just this morning was lamenting the fact that the Democrats have not worked with the Republicans to come up with a sound nationalized health care plan. No Senator, we don’t want an unconstitutional government run health care plan. Get that through your thick head. When you do, tell the other Republican leaders who still don’t get it.
Look at the scheme of providing loans to people who couldn’t afford them, and what that ultimately cost the nation. Did the Republicans take action against that? No. Did they stand up and scream about it? No. How much better were they than the Democrats on the subject? Ultimately, not better at all. In fact, they signed off on a plan to bail people out of bad loans, keep them involved with loans they can’t repay, which means this will all take place again in a few years.
Why should I be voting for a—holes like this?
I’m not looking to go third party, but if I am driven off, don’t blame me. If you don’t want me to take a walk on the wild side, then put up a decent Conservative as the Republican nominee so I can vote for them.
And if you’re thinking of bringing up the old ‘unrealistic purity’ canard, don’t bother. The Republican candidates aren’t even close and we all know it.
NO MORE RINOS MEANS NO MORE RINOS. How much more plain can I make it?
This is the ONLY smart thing to do!
I’m convinced that the parties are NOT the same.
But that’s not to say they don’t have some of the same minded characters at times.