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Get Real! Cut the Third Party Crap: The Two Parties Are Not the Same
Rush ^ | December 1st | rush

Posted on 12/05/2009 3:41:40 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

I'm all for Ralph Nader running again. I'd love for Howard Dean to get fed up or some other Democrat to get fed up with Obama and I'd love for a third party of Democrats and liberals to establish itself. I want all kinds of liberals to line and up run in third parties. That's how we weaken their side. As for our side, the focus must be to take back the Republican Party. That's the way you win. You can draw attention to yourself by denouncing both parties at the same time, and you can think that you're relating to a whole lot of people or being disabused and forgotten about, but you do a grave disservice in doing so because you're never going to win anything. You're going to guarantee Democrat victory in perpetuity. We need a strong conservative movement that takes back the Republican Party and then we have a strong Republican Party. It's hard work but it is happening.


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To: ohioWfan; Chunga; rabscuttle385; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3
Why do you put up with that kind of filth, Chunga?

Quiet. Chunga is still trying to figure out what a 'neuron' is and why Rabscuttle385 has more than he does.

So tell me, being the 'adjunct professor' that you are at whatever local college you ply your trade, why haven't YOU stepped up to refute Rabscuttle's assertions? If he is a mere 'college student', that ought to be sheer simplicity for your giant intellect, eh?
841 posted on 12/13/2009 6:56:31 PM PST by mkjessup (Dec 13, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama tells all Americans they should bow to Emperor Hirohito.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; rabscuttle385
I’m still waiting for the opposition to explain why Bush is not a RINO. Of course I’m a little older now...

By the time they 'explain' that, you're going to be in a rest home on oxygen and pinching the nurses, LOL
842 posted on 12/13/2009 6:58:49 PM PST by mkjessup (Dec 13, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama tells all Americans they should bow to Emperor Hirohito.)
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To: mkjessup; rabscuttle385
Gadz. Not this shit again...

(Bush) Accomplishments like...

No Child Left Behind, which expanded Federal control over public education.

And do you know who voted for it?

Phil Gramm.
Bob Barr.
Mac Collins.
Jeff Sessions.
Zell Miller.
J.D. Hayworth.
Jack Kingston.
Fred Thompson.
John Linder.
Pat Toomey.
Duncan Hunter.

What a pack of RINOs!

Side note: The Teachers' Union despises NCLB, and Bush proposed the voucher system that would have allowed students at failing schools to use federal tax dollars to transfer to private and parochial schools. Bush proposed it as a back-door way to break the grip of the Teachers' Union on United States public schools. It would have been to education what Private Retirement Accounts would have been to Social Security...the camel's nose under the tent.

Very RINO-y.

Throwing Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean to the wolves before finally pardoning them at the end of his term.

Ramos and Compean? You mean the guys George W. Bush pardoned?

Backing RINOs like Arlen Specter, who has now returned to the Democrat Party.

Specter's opponent was Pat Toomey, who supported No Child Left behind, which makes him a RINO, which means you had a toss-up in the Republican primary in PA...see how this works, rabs? Pick and choose your bullshit and fill up the forum with it! It's right down your alley.

Pushing carbon credits and global warming.

Bush opposed the Kyoto Protocol.

Signing off on McCain-Feingold "bipartisan" campaign finance "reform."

What's with the quotes around "bipartisan"? Why do you care if it's not bipartisan? You aren't a Republican...you're an anti-Republican. Why is the bill's lack of bipartisanship a deal-breaker for you?

Keeping Americans "safe" from terrorists like John Allen Muhammad, Lee Boyd Malvo, and the Virginia Tech mass shooter Cho.

The above comment is evidence of stupidity.

Getting you and the rest of the Bushbots/RINObots/DemLite addicted to Kool-Aid laced with RINO dung.

The above statement is proof of idiocy.

The italicized quotes above pass for brilliance in the mind of mkjessup...and caused him to label rabscuttle333 "the Trident D-5 of political debate."

And with Valentine's Day right around the corner!

843 posted on 12/13/2009 7:04:18 PM PST by Chunga (Any IDIOT who says Obama would be better for the country than McCain is a disgrace - Mark Levin)
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To: Chunga; ohioWfan; Victoria Delsoul
The stoopid posse: A legend rumor in their own time mind..........
844 posted on 12/13/2009 7:08:39 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: ohioWfan

Well, to be honest ohio...I don’t mind getting into the ugly zone with these little creeps. They know I’m not impressed, and if this guy agreed with anything I ever posted I’d check myself into a mental hospital.


845 posted on 12/13/2009 7:14:56 PM PST by Chunga (Any IDIOT who says Obama would be better for the country than McCain is a disgrace - Mark Levin)
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To: Chunga; rabscuttle385
Gadz. Not this shit again...

You're serving it up.

(Bush) Accomplishments like...
No Child Left Behind, which expanded Federal control over public education.

And do you know who voted for it?
Phil Gramm. Bob Barr. Mac Collins. Jeff Sessions. Zell Miller. J.D. Hayworth. Jack Kingston. Fred Thompson. John Linder. Pat Toomey. Duncan Hunter.
What a pack of RINOs!


Your feeble attempt does not address the folly of that 'No Child Left Behind Act'. Were YOU in favor of it, or not?

THAT is the critical question here.

Side note: The Teachers' Union despises NCLB, and Bush proposed the voucher system that would have allowed students at failing schools to use federal tax dollars to transfer to private and parochial schools. Bush proposed it as a back-door way to break the grip of the Teachers' Union on United States public schools. It would have been to education what Private Retirement Accounts would have been to Social Security...the camel's nose under the tent.
Very RINO-y.


Well how's that working out? Has that 'grip' been broken?

Take all the time you want.

Throwing Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean to the wolves before finally pardoning them at the end of his term.
Ramos and Compean? You mean the guys George W. Bush pardoned?


He didn't pardon them, he commuted their sentences but didn't allow for their immediate release from prison. And don't forget that it was due to GWB's corrupt pal, rogue prosecutor Johnny Sutton, that Ramos and Compean were railroaded into prison in the first place. You're only half clever.

Backing RINOs like Arlen Specter, who has now returned to the Democrat Party.
Specter's opponent was Pat Toomey, who supported No Child Left behind, which makes him a RINO, which means you had a toss-up in the Republican primary in PA...see how this works, rabs? Pick and choose your bullshit and fill up the forum with it! It's right down your alley.


Here is the critical question, regardless of NCLB which is: of the two Pennsylvanians in question, which one was the more reliable conservative Republican? Toomey, or Specter?

(here's a hint Chunga, one of them was NEVER a conservative and has returned to the 'Rat Party where he started from)

Pushing carbon credits and global warming.
Bush opposed the Kyoto Protocol.


His own EPA released a report wailing about all the disasters and calamities awaiting us from the threat of global warming and all of that nonsense.

Signing off on McCain-Feingold "bipartisan" campaign finance "reform."
What's with the quotes around "bipartisan"? Why do you care if it's not bipartisan? You aren't a Republican...you're an anti-Republican. Why is the bill's lack of bipartisanship a deal-breaker for you?


The critical question Chunga, is where do YOU stand on McCain-Feingold? (here's another hint, our Founder called McCain a 'treasonous bastard' for it)

Keeping Americans "safe" from terrorists like John Allen Muhammad, Lee Boyd Malvo, and the Virginia Tech mass shooter Cho.
The above comment is evidence of stupidity.


Prove how it is 'stupid'. Saying it, does not make it so.

Getting you and the rest of the Bushbots/RINObots/DemLite addicted to Kool-Aid laced with RINO dung.
The above statement is proof of idiocy.


Again, prove the 'idiocy'.

The italicized quotes above pass for brilliance in the mind of mkjessup...and caused him to label rabscuttle333 "the Trident D-5 of political debate."

I have yet to see you make any meaningful counterpoints to what Rabscuttle385 has had to say regarding George W. RINO and his abysmal performance.

And with Valentine's Day right around the corner!

Bend over and kiss yourself then, that's as good a Valentine as you're gonna get.
846 posted on 12/13/2009 7:26:14 PM PST by mkjessup (Dec 13, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama tells all Americans they should bow to Emperor Hirohito.)
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To: Chunga
They know I’m not impressed, and if this guy agreed with anything I ever posted I’d check myself into a mental hospital.

Don't you think you should see about getting checked OUT of the hospital first?
847 posted on 12/13/2009 7:28:25 PM PST by mkjessup (Dec 13, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama tells all Americans they should bow to Emperor Hirohito.)
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To: Lakeshark
The stoopid posse: A legend rumor in their own time mind..........

Well, when rabs characterized an opponent's postings as "The Chew Toy Strikes Back"...well, I'm sorry. No college student will ever possess a chew toy that is at least twice his age and has been in the private sector decades longer than he's been alive.

And I don't like punks.

848 posted on 12/13/2009 7:31:11 PM PST by Chunga (Any IDIOT who says Obama would be better for the country than McCain is a disgrace - Mark Levin)
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To: Chunga

That ‘punk’ understands our Constitution and how it’s been raped over the past 9 years far more than you’ll ever comprehend.

You could learn something from that ‘punk’.


849 posted on 12/13/2009 7:33:00 PM PST by mkjessup (Dec 13, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama tells all Americans they should bow to Emperor Hirohito.)
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To: mkjessup

Also....

Bush had no veto pen. Look at his record.

“Islam is a religion of peace”

Uh huh....

Amnesty with chain migration..

Gee thanks for trying to destroy the country, Mr. Bush


850 posted on 12/13/2009 7:34:21 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Hey look out, somebody is probably going to call you a ‘punk’ now, lol


851 posted on 12/13/2009 7:36:56 PM PST by mkjessup (Dec 13, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama tells all Americans they should bow to Emperor Hirohito.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Sorry I’m late. They are the same, establishmentarian, as is the MSM. Protecting the corrupt status quo.


852 posted on 12/13/2009 7:37:03 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Chunga; Lakeshark
You're welcome to "the ugly zone," Chunga, and more power to you.

When the filth starts flowing, it's time for me to pack it up and say good-bye. I actually can handle the incessant lies more than one post like the above.

Good luck to you FRiends. You're on the right side of the battle.

I'm gonna try to just hang around with the thousands of other freepers who don't have the emotional "needs" of this gang. I had enough of that back in my old teaching Jr High days. Not going back to that!And I'm certainly not going to discuss politics or anything of import with anyone whose maturity is less than any of my own kids' maturity at the age of 14. I prefer adults!

May the Schwartz be with you. ;)

853 posted on 12/13/2009 7:42:59 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: mkjessup

I’m skeeeered.


854 posted on 12/13/2009 7:46:20 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: mkjessup
I'm sure rabs appreciates your chivalry.

I'm off for the night.

855 posted on 12/13/2009 7:51:11 PM PST by Chunga (Any IDIOT who says Obama would be better for the country than McCain is a disgrace - Mark Levin)
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To: Chunga; mkjessup
The Teachers' Union despises NCLB, and Bush proposed the voucher system that would have allowed students at failing schools to use federal tax dollars to transfer to private and parochial schools. Bush proposed it as a back-door way to break the grip of the Teachers' Union on United States public schools.

You think so short term, Chunga.

No Child Left Behind not only cemented in place the Federal government's immoral role as a central agent of wealth redistribution but constituted an un-Constitutional Federal usurpation of power that is otherwise reserved to the States and to the people.

It would have been to education what Private Retirement Accounts would have been to Social Security...the camel's nose under the tent.

No comparison.

With a Personal Retirement Account, one funds something for himself and receives exactly what s/he put in, plus interest earned or capital gains realized, if any.

With No Child Left Behind, all you'll eventually get is Catholic parents being forced to fund the operations of Sunni Muslim private schools, or vice versa, and all the while, the Federal government will dictate the curriculum.

The proper method of attacking the problem of left-wing indoctrination in public schools would have been to encourage parents to demand standards and accountability from their own local public schools, on a state by state and county by county basis. After all, educational "standards" should be set and "accountability" be created by parents themselves, if parents are the ones paying for their child's education, or the local community, if all lawful residents are liable to finance each child's education. (Parents should not be liable to purchase an education of any type, more generally, just as no individual is required to purchase health care services of any type.) Anything less is just a forced abdication of key parental responsibility to their local and state governments or, in the case of Bush's NCLB, even worse in that it was a forced transfer of key parental responsibility to a building of bureaucrats potentially thousands of miles away.

But hey, that's not a problem for you, Bush, the Congress critters who voted for NCLB, or any of its other proponents, right, since after all, dealing with NCLB's unintended consequences (political "blowback") will be someone else's problem down the line.

And do you know who voted for it? ...What a pack of RINOs!

Why don't you say that a bit louder, perhaps? Or write a vanity? Maybe even throw in some links to official voting records from thomas.loc.gov?

Because it's an excellent case for exactly why supporting the Republican Party may very well be, in the end, naught but a futile endeavor and an exercise in how fast conservatives can gnaw off their political limbs.

If all that the Republican Party--with conservatives in tow--will actually accomplish is just a little bit less government than the Democratic Party, then the Republican Party is doomed to failure, unless, of course, it changes its ways and presents itself as a clear and genuine alternative to the Democratic Party, an advocate for the States, for the individual Citizen and his/her family, and for Constitutional self-governance, rather than just as a faded, two-faced, "lite" version of the Democratic Party and its policy focus on "the common good."

After all, if all the Republican Party can do is talk the talk without walking the walk, then the Party is useless.

After all, if all the Republican Party can do is act like a "lite" version of the Democrat Party, allowing itself to be dragged leftward through the political mud by the Democrat Party, then the Party is useless.

And if the GOP is so useless, then it should either genuinely reform itself, stop pretending to be a Party of small and Constitutional government, or get out of the way and let another Party rise to take its place.

Anything less is an act of giving aid and comfort to the real enemies, if not acting as their agents or outright joining them in their nefarious quest to transform the United States into a Socialist utopia, or as close as they can get to such a pipe dream.

856 posted on 12/13/2009 8:04:28 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Chunga; sickoflibs; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker
Why are you talking about ohioWfan without pinging her?

Because ohioWfan asked sickoflibs not to ping her.

OhioWfan also asked a Moderator to silence me, since she couldn't actually counter all those "encyclopedias of propaganda" I dug up for her from Fox News, the WSJ, The Washington Examiner, and World Net Daily, all of which are media outlets with a decidedly conservative bent.

857 posted on 12/13/2009 8:07:34 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Chunga; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker; Cedric; taxlady; JerryP; lexusppd
...I’d check myself into a mental hospital.

Well, when you get there, give my regards to Cedric, taxlady, JerryP, and lexusppd, will ya?

858 posted on 12/13/2009 8:10:31 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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RE:”Which one of you guys performs the happy finish?” (Chunga to mkjessup+stephenjohnbanker at #834)

This about sums up the Bush-bot's best arguments , wouldnt you say?

Hey, professor ohioWbot: Any smart comments on the maturity of your student Chunga on this one?? Is this how you taught your OTHER son to talk?

859 posted on 12/13/2009 8:10:42 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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I bet Wbot dosent ask the moderator’s opinion on Chunga’s post like she did all of ours.


860 posted on 12/13/2009 8:20:18 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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