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A life not worth living?
BBC News ^ | 9/25/09 | BBC News

Posted on 09/27/2009 10:19:41 AM PDT by wagglebee

New guidance has been issued to clarify the law on assisted suicide in England and Wales - but it offers no guarantees against prosecution.

Instead the Director of Public Prosecutions has spelled out the range of factors that will be taken into account when deciding on cases.

The move has been welcomed by 33 year old Kelly Taylor from Bristol who is terminally ill.

In 2005 she tried to starve herself in the hope she would end her pain.

"I think the new guidelines are a breakthrough, as it gives people the knowledge when and where they're going wrong and when they could be prosecuted. It also gives people like me greater patient choice."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: assistedsuicide; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife
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To: Gondring; wagglebee

Gondring wrote:

I support the right to choose euthanasia.

OK, and how is that different from the Obama position?


141 posted on 10/04/2009 12:29:28 PM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: fanfan

There were PLENTY of FReepers who believed that Michael Schiavo had the “right” to murder Terri. They believed he had this “right” because years after her accident and AFTER she had been awarded a very large sum of money he “remembered” her saying that she wanted to die if she became disabled.


142 posted on 10/04/2009 12:31:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: cerberus

***These so called moral absolute posts have some of the sickest, judgmental name calling people I have encountered on Free Republic....That is why I call them pseudo Christians, because I have know real Christians that would never say the things some of these people do...

Well said.........these issues are much more agonizingly complex,especially at the personal level, than some of the simpler minds here would have us believe.***

Right and wrong, life and death, heaven and hell are more agonizingly complex than the simple would have us believe? Perhaps you could share with us what perversion that you enjoy that you would wrap up in this opaque blanket along with all the others.


143 posted on 10/04/2009 12:32:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Melian

***Well, I’m Catholic and, if you check post 51, you’ll see I wasn’t being whiny. I’ve never run to a mod.***

Good. I’m tired of our side being accused of whininess and finding out after the fact that it is true.


144 posted on 10/04/2009 12:32:11 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: cerberus
"Could you please show me the Bible verses that endorse assisted suicide?"
This is what I mean by simple-mindedness. I presume you believe in the Ten Commandments (Thou Shalt not Kill, etc.) and also support our military actions which involve killing. You hang your hats on "moral absolutism" and then pick, choose and rationalize to prove your points.

When you read the Bible in its entirety over and over, a larger picture emerges than when you cherry-pick a single line. The Book of Romans is but one place that gives a defense for the power of the "king" to order the deaths of lawbreakers or enemy combatants. That is an entirely separate issue from a society promoting the efficient killing of unwanted innocents such as fetuses, people with disabilities or the infirm elderly -- and, inevitably, using government coercion to compel medical caregivers to perform such acts.

Secondly, the original commandments were written in Hebrew, and the word was "murder", not "kill."

145 posted on 10/04/2009 12:33:45 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("I apologize to hookers for having associated them with the House of Representatives.--Jim Traficant)
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To: cerberus

***I don’t know what the answer is, but I would like to see an option for people who are in extreme suffering, have no quality of life and do not want to endure it anymore. In such a situation, I consider it a basic human right to end one’s life if that is one’s personal choice.***

I would be interested in finding out what your idea of basic human right is. Plus, if somebody really wants to die that badly, there are an infinite number of ways to do so. Give me an example of somebody who wants to die and couldn’t do so in a private method.


146 posted on 10/04/2009 12:35:16 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: fanfan
I do understand the fear of the slippery slope.

Glad to hear it. The fact that is has happened so frequently in modern times (since the rise and worldwide organization of socialism/communism) is what is making this discussion so vital.

147 posted on 10/04/2009 12:37:49 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("I apologize to hookers for having associated them with the House of Representatives.--Jim Traficant)
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To: Albion Wilde
The Book of Romans is but one place that gives a defense for the power of the "king" to order the deaths of lawbreakers or enemy combatants.

So I guess, "Thou shalt not kill", for example, is not a moral absolute. It appears to qualify under some circumstances and not under others. Sounds a lot like "situation ethics" to me.

148 posted on 10/04/2009 12:43:48 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: wagglebee

But that wasn’t his right, AFAIC.

It was her right, and her right alone.

Wasn’t there a video of her saying she wanted to live?


149 posted on 10/04/2009 12:44:32 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

There are videos where Terri is clearly aware of those around her. She tried to say she wanted to live, but wasn’t able to.


150 posted on 10/04/2009 12:46:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: MarkBsnr
Perhaps you could share with us what perversion that you enjoy that you would wrap up in this opaque blanket along with all the others.

Are you feeling alright?

151 posted on 10/04/2009 12:47:32 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: Albion Wilde

Maybe it’s been happening forever. Slavery would have had much the same end result for people as forced euthanasia does, (kill the weak and those perceived as useless).

You are right, it’s the rise of socialism/communism that is bringing back slavery. It’s just a different name now. I think one of it’s new names is Islam.

Either way, when someone is forced to die, it is murder.


152 posted on 10/04/2009 12:55:28 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks Wagglebee.


153 posted on 10/04/2009 1:06:36 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan
Either way, when someone is forced to die, it is murder.

So if a police officer shoots someone who is threatening a group of school children with a bomb and forces that person to die. Is it murder?

I honestly would like to know what you think.

154 posted on 10/04/2009 1:08:09 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: cerberus

***Are you feeling alright?***

Very well, thanks. My arthritis in knees and hands is making its presence known, but only slightly. My children are 1) outside playing in the lovely sunshine or 2) at a friend’s house and my wife is walking in the local Crop Walk to raise funds for the local soup kitchens as it is her turn this year.

Very kind of you to ask.


155 posted on 10/04/2009 1:11:24 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Very kind of you to ask.

You're quite welcome and I'm glad to hear all is well there.

156 posted on 10/04/2009 1:16:03 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: cerberus

Killing to stop murder makes sense, if there is no other way to deal with it.

That’s part of why we fight wars.
I have to say I’m glad we’re not typing this in German, or Japanese. :-)


157 posted on 10/04/2009 1:16:55 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan
I have to say I’m glad we’re not typing this in German, or Japanese. :-)

Me too!

158 posted on 10/04/2009 1:23:37 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: Mr. Silverback; cerberus
My first reply on this thread was NOT to any moral absolute person....But its seems that some of you hit the abuse button on me and as the moderator said, this is a site for grown ups and if you don't like what someone writes on an open thread, get over it...I don't want any pings from you or anyone in your posse...I am done with this thread, and moving on - arguments over....God Bless and have a great Sunday...As the moderator suggested, if you want mod protection post on the RF.

Again I have to say, your response is senseless to me. Write about me all you want, just don't ping me, I have better things to do than answer you or read your posts. like cut my dogs nails...

Cerebrus is one of the sane voices on this thread, there were a couple of others, that were worth reading, yours and the other regulars on the (moral absolute) was not amongst them

159 posted on 10/04/2009 2:18:03 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Albion Wilde
LOL I just love your paranoia.

The comment about the justice department was a real hoot...Rant about me all you want, just don't ping me, I am not interested...Same goes for the rest of the moral absolute group....God Bless and have a great Sunday....

160 posted on 10/04/2009 2:25:35 PM PDT by goat granny
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