Posted on 09/27/2009 10:19:41 AM PDT by wagglebee
New guidance has been issued to clarify the law on assisted suicide in England and Wales - but it offers no guarantees against prosecution.
Instead the Director of Public Prosecutions has spelled out the range of factors that will be taken into account when deciding on cases.
The move has been welcomed by 33 year old Kelly Taylor from Bristol who is terminally ill.
In 2005 she tried to starve herself in the hope she would end her pain.
"I think the new guidelines are a breakthrough, as it gives people the knowledge when and where they're going wrong and when they could be prosecuted. It also gives people like me greater patient choice."
(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...
Why did you put voluntary (i.e. requested)?
It’s your choice right? You could get a gun or black market cyanide pill ahead of time and do what you have to do.
Why the ‘assisted’? What does that have to do with ‘your’ individual choice?
Or is it you want to bring in someone else, in case YOU can’t do it and make it their choice (only if they worked in a certain facility and feared their job, it wouldn’t be), they could just live with that I guess or just get another line of work, later for feeding their family or living with themselves... it’s all about ‘your’ choice, even though you wouldn’t want to ‘control’ what others may have to do per ‘your’ choice; You wouldn’t care, you’d be out.
I know... it will be for others, not to be a burden right?
Not for yourself.
By the way, what ‘culture’ do you support? Expand please.
Well, I’m Catholic and, if you check post 51, you’ll see I wasn’t being whiny. I’ve never run to a mod.
However, I WAS reported to a mod once— by a Protestant, because I got upset that a Christian poster didn’t like St. Peter! LOL
You see, it's stuff like this that makes you sound like a used car salesman. Maybe you can throw in a couple of free oil changes with every suicide.
C'mon, are you really pretending we haven't been down this road before? When they sold this in the Netherlands, they told people it would be all about individual choice, and it turned into pulling the plug on Granny. In Oregon, they sold this by telling people it would be all about individual choice, and then the "We won't pay for chemo but we'll whack you before the pain gets too bad" letters went out.
We've watched you guys (and yes, I use that phrase intentionally) sell people elsewhere pie tins full of crap by telling them that it was really chocolate cream pie. Now you're trying to sell us some chocolate pie, and treating us like fascists when we don't buy your pitch.
NO SALE.
Perhaps that’s why countries with laws respecting the right to die kill off fewer people illegally and involuntarily than those without.
Yeah, right. If you can spare a momment from your sales career ("This baby's got an interior made with genuine seat material and it comes with an AM/AM radio!") give me a citation for that stat, wouldya please?
You're wrong again.
I support the right to choose euthanasia.
Are you in favor of my right to listen to rap? If so, does that mean you SUPPORT rap?
Are you in favor of my right to be a Methodist? If so, does that mean that your support is for Methodism?
Quite simple, if you don't misrepresent things.
What a truly moronic post.
....If you don't agree with them, well, your just going to hell and they are psychic about you based on a few comments made
Actually, I've noticed that the pro-death contingent is much quicker to bring religion into these threads ("You aren't a real Christian, because you aren't nice enough to me when I advocate things your religion has opposed for 2,000 years, you poopyheads!) than the pro-lifers. You're actually providing a pretty good example.
Their threads are usually good for a insight into the fringe of pseudo Christians...
Well, I welcome an opportunity for you to teach me, a "pseudo Christian," what Christianity is all about. Could you please show me the Bible verses that endorse assisted suicide? Don't worry, I'll wait.
[Jeopardy theme begins playing]
If you walk into a grocery store, pick a random woman and call her a slut, when she gets angry that isn't proof she's a slut.
Folks like you sling a vicious insult, then claim anyone insulted by the vicious insult has proven the vicious insult was the truth. Shouldn't a woman with "granny" in her callsign be more grown up than that?
Maybe he’s just tired of people on FR trying to sell him crap in a pie tin and telling him it’s French Silk from Sara Lee.
Or in your posts. You should especially reread your first post in this thread before you start calling others judgmental.
Show me where this happened. I just did a search for threads related to this story, and though I found some people who said the pregnancy should have gone forward, I didn't see anyone who was as adamant about it as you claim.
Some believe that you save life at all cost, no matter what the person desires...
A strawman argument. There are so few people who see medical ethics that way that they could have their meetings in a phone booth, and I've never come across one on FR.
I also have struggled to keep a pregnancy that put me in the hospital in the 4th month with a threaten abort...When I was sent home, I aimed for the 7th month to give the baby a chance, but at 6 1/2 months the hemorrhaging started resulting in an emergency C Section...Her name was Ann Marie, she weighted 1 lb 12 ounces and was 11 inches long...She lived for 10 hours and the nuns that came to visit and talk asked me what her name was and I told them Ann Marie, the nun smiled and told me she had been baptized Marie in the delivery room...
A woman in the catholic church I use to go to was the mother of 6 and died giving birth to her 7th...She was a sweet and wonderful person and her heroic sacrifice was hers to make....I moved shortly after that and I do not know how the father and 7 children made out without a mother...that was their decision....We were both active in the Altar Society and the church mourned the loss of her.
Mr. Silverback, that is a situation you will never have to face..
My poor husband went to burial of our daughter with my 2 older boys ages 7 and 6 because they wanted to go...They use to sit on the sofa with me and have their hands on my belly waiting for the baby to kick and to them it was a real baby....I was still in the hospital...Hope you never have to go thought that like my husband did...
These so called moral absolute posts have some of the sickest, judgmental name calling people I have encountered on Free Republic....That is why I call them pseudo Christians, because I have know real Christians that would never say the things some of these people do...
I have personally made the decision for life, something most of these people only know of in theory...
If they are offended, tough luck, they offend others all the time who are trying to have a reasoned discussion on the subject...
If the shoe doesn't fit you, don't wear it..
And your snide little comment about being nice enough to me and being childish enough to use the term (LOL) poopyheads I can only say to you, I personally don't give a flying fig who you are nice or not nice to. I think the pseudo Christian shoe must pinch you just a little...
The moral absolute freepers are the most pathetic people I have ever met....Maybe that attitude is why Jesus preferred being with sinners and publicans instead of the Pharisee's that loved to flaunt their knowledge of scripture, but he knew what they were inside...
Its not my job to teach you about being a christian, just as its not your job to judge wether others (who don't necessaily believe as you do)are Christians.
Forget the childish Jeopardy theme...I don't watch it.
But I do wonder about your name....Silverbacks are alpha males in the gorillia society, that must be what you see yourself as. Me, I am just an old goat granny...Have a great week end and God Bless.....
A PS to my post....I just noticed that you send me a reply at 1:23, again at 1:32 again at 1:34 and the last at 1:57...A little impatient aren’t you...Like I spend my life on only this thread and didn’t answer you quick enough...Patience my dear man, learn patience...This thread is not all that interesting I do move on and have a life outside of moral absolutes.....
“Assisted suicide” is not about living life. And it’s not about private acts that *individuals* do to themselves.
It’s about one person intentionally causing the death of another who is not a threat to the life of anyone else.
By legalizing - or decriminalizing - one person intentionally causing the death of another, the State becomes complicit to the actions of those “individuals.”
Perfect analogy!
Some will NEVER understand that loving your neighbor DOES NOT mean that you are always nice to them. It means you tell them the truth when they need to hear it and you DO NOT allow them to commit a mortal sin like suicide.
Well said.........these issues are much more agonizingly complex,especially at the personal level, than some of the simpler minds here would have us believe.
[Tips hat]
If someone wants to reserve the right to kill themselves, there's little anyone else can do. Having experienced being a close friend or family member of such persons on several occasions, I can attest that it is often a ghastly and scarring experience for the survivors, all of whom had offered help for the person's depression or misguided attitude.
As far as making euthanasia legal is concerned, we have only to look at the many other "helpful" social programs originating on the left to see that what starts out as "helpful" soon turns to a holocaust and often a government-backed compulsory step. That is why we are having these arguments about Obamacare's provisions for death panels, and to force doctors and nurses to perform abortions. Abortion was originally touted as a means for married couples to control the number of mouths they have to feed. Behind it was a socialist, racist, eugenics goal; and it has also been the backbone of the destruction of marriage as a social norm, the vast numbers of men who refuse responsibility for their children, and the ghetto thug culture that has permeated all corners of our society, not to mention the 50 million deaths of innocent babies.
Other tyrannical regimes in recent history, such as China, have performed forced abortions on young women who already have one child, as an "economic reform."
Once you lower the bar on the standard that the life of an innocent is inviolable, you open the floodgates for government coercion to die or to murder innocent human beings who have not chosen this path. That is the basis of my "stench" about this issue.
How? How is basic right and wrong any different now than it was thousands of years ago?
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