What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?

End The War on Freedom ^ | June 18, 2003 | Bill St. Clair

[Covenantor]

"I’ve heard that it was amazing how the ranks of the Resistance swelled, after the war was over.

Indeed...made one wonder what that D-day fuss was all about.

Typical Parisian resistance cell. code name "Lucky Pierre"

[2ndDivisionVet]

The Left has controlled the schools (at all levels) since at least the 1960’s. Almost everyone that goes into the military comes out of the public school system. I graduated high school in 1978, so I wasn’t nearly as indoctrinated as the kids today, although I saw signs of it in the 70’s, with the “stop pollution” and “save the whales” jazz.

[higgmeister]

"I forget the name of the Senator who observed, "You know, a million here and a million there, and pretty soon you're talking about serious money."

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That well loved Statesman, Republican Senator from Illinois, Everett McKinley Dirksen. He also happened to be the father-in-law of Senator Howard Baker of Tennessee. Dirksen was legendary for his fondness for the common marigold. His wife Louella Carver Dirksen wrote a biography, "The Honorable Mr. Marigold: My Life With Everett Dirksen." The Dirksen Senate Office Building is named in his honor.

[Billthedrill]

Yes, I'm agreeing with the gentleman; sorry if I didn't manage to make that clear. But I doubt seriously it'll ever devolve to the level of a single-shot Liberator in the streets of the U.S. (It was a particularly crappy little gun anyway - it wasn't even rifled). This isn't France in the 40's.

What will happen is a slow incrementalism intended to leach the firearms out of the most armed citizenry anywhere. It is happening: environmental restrictions against lead ammunition, zoning regulations intended to make possession of firearms in urban and suburban areas impossible, attempts to stretch terrorism laws to cover domestic disarmament. That's what we have to watch for, IMHO.

[Chode]

if it only takes out ONE traitor to this country before i go down, than it's done it's job... and there's one less traitorous bastard to hurt anybody else while going against their oath to defend this country from all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC!!!

[knarf]

"But the military would be on our side. It’s Obama’s ‘civilian military force’ that we’d have to contend with."

ACORN (and the like) is the 5th column.

The czars make up the Star Chamber.

[Maelstorm]

Yeah but it has gotten worse. I went to public school. I remember getting the little environmental tracks. They weren’t requiring us to sign gay pledge cards like in some public schools and having boys dressing as girls at the prom. The world operates just fine without such activism and there is no need for it.

I did go through a short period where I was somewhat a socialist. It sounded like a nice idea if everyone had the same basic house and the same basic things and then I realized that such a quaint idea would soon become a requirement that no one have anything but the basics and that didn’t sound like a very good place to live unless one thought of themselves as worthless with no hope for any better.

That said it appears to me that the military has had to undo a lot of the public school ego-gratification crap.

[chris37]

The gun will do whatever it can do. Look at the situation that recently occurred in India in which unarmed people were tortured and murdered by stinking muslim pigs. Had I been there, I would have fired every round I have into those rotten bastards. Every round except the last one, because if I cannot take out all of my enemies, then I will take out myself instead. I will not be taken, I will not be imprisoned, nor tortured, nor executed.

My gun puts me in charge of my fate. Obviously, I do not ever want to have to face this situation, but should it arise, I have control. I will never beg upon my knees for mercy from a tyrant.

[higgmeister]

I think you just made this gentleman’s case, or did I misunderstand you?

It sounds like one-hundred to one odds if each weapon had a citizen to handle it. I bet that's better than the odds of slipping on ice. It may not be possible to know how many patrolmen or troopers, if asked to take up arms against their brothers and neighbors, would ditch the powers that be and join the citizenship patrols, but it is not as if there is not a precedence.

[Riley]

I’m not going to hammer the French too hard, they *did* have people who risked- and suffered- much under the German occupation. Of that, there is no doubt in my mind.

I’ve heard though that after the war, half the Frenchmen you’d meet in a pub somewhere were garroting German sentries on a nightly basis- if you can believe what they say. :-)

[Jed Eckert]

WOLVERINES!

You rang?

[Squantos]

First thoughts when I saw this ping was the liberator pistol of WWII

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Second thought was all hardened weapons platforms have soft pink centers.

Third thought was the 90 pound PC hired LEO SWAT split tail down the street from me has all I need when I want to take it.

Last but not least uncle sugar taught me skills that do not require firearms. Even a bunny wabbit will bite if cornered an no way out.

My opinions......

[RKV]

The problem with France and the French, and I speak the language and have been to school there, is that the best of them got killed in WW1, and WW2. The ones that were left to breed included some beautiful women, but the men, well, they’re short on some qualities.

[MountainDad]

I was on the phone last week with my son and we discussed this very topic. He is active Army, Infantry. 11 Bravo. He said they talked among themselves about this while in Iraq once in awhile. His said NO ONE he talked with, some Officers included, would obey any command to attack or harm U.S. citizens.

I felt better after that phone call.

[dljordan]

“Why do you think they have been trying to socially reform the military with gays in the military and women in combat? They know that if it comes to the thin red line between soldiers defending liberty and the constitution and killing and imprisoning fellow citizens the soldiers will stand with the citizen.”

There is no reason to believe that Gay people and women wouldn’t defend the Constitution. I would be more worried about the legions of gang-bangers and foreign nationals who are serving.

I once argued with a friend about the military takeover of America. I pointed out to him that as a percentage of population the Police and military are small. A certain percent of them wouldn’t go along with the scheme anyway. Add that to the millions of firearms and the rather large population of ex-military who are staunch defenders of the Republic in this country and you have a recipe for defeat.

They could control the urban areas but the more forceful and arrogant they become the greater the level of resistance they would engender which would lead to their ultimate downfall. The revenge a betrayed populace would exact would be horrific.

They will probably engineer a medical emergency instead.

[Riley]

I studied French for three years in High School and in College, and didn’t have a lot of opportunities to use it. That was many years ago.

Now I deal with French speakers frequently, and can only remember the odd phrase here and there.

*sigh*

[jwalsh07]

With a handgun against an Army you can die like a man, with a vigorous second amendment and a citizenry armed as the founders intended you can live like a man.

[Nuc1]

Mentally ready for the test later.

[Doomonyou]

Later

[facedown]

The author of this piece appears to be Mike Vanderboegh as submitted by Bill St. Clair. It might be important to ask the AdminMod to change the author line.

In another posting of this piece it is prefaced by a quote from Federalist 28 which is quite appropriate:

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense, which is paramount to all positive forms of government; and which, against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success, than against those of the rulers of an individual state. ... Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpations of the state governments; and those will have the same disposition toward the general government. The people, by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress. ...

"It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system that the state governments will in all possible contingencies afford complete security against invasions of the public liberty by the national authority."