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To: rocco55; Jim Robinson; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...
BP2, I know you are one of the HEAVY HITTERS on FR, but if this is true, it really hurts ! Could these DU’ers have been so clever as to date the Kenyan doc Feb 1964, right between the application for divorce and the divorce settlement ? Seems too ingenious ?

Few people know the prima facie facts tied to the Obama’s mother’s 1964 and 1980 divorces as well as a handful of us here on Free Republic. I know it probably better than most.

When I started looking at the date (Feb 17, 1964) on this new Kenyan birth certificate, I immediately started comparing it with the dates of the 1964 divorce between Obama's mother and father – TRYING to REFUTE the Kenyan birth certificate. Was it at all PLAUSIBLE, at least based upon what we know as prima facie facts, confirmed by an independent source – such as a judge in a divorce case? If you wish to refer back to this initial comparison, the information is on Post 2,222 of the Free Republic thread "Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C.)".

There’s been a fair number of fake Obama documents surfacing in the days and weeks leading up to the release of the Kenyan birth certificate, quickly debunked, designed to create confusion of prima facieso, many of us are naturally suspicious. You can cry “wolf” only so many times before others stop believing you, even though later there may truly be a wolf. That said, I'm not a forensics expert, nor have I seen the Kenya birth certificate – but I can connect dots.

Although ANY document can be faked, I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a sneaky pro-Obama “operative” came up with a fake document that also plausibly MATCHES the timeline of the 1964 Obama divorce and other events, as well as the new Kenyan birth certificate does. Anything is possible of course, but I see the Kenya birth certificate as a believable document – for various reasons that I’ll outline below.

Not all of the deductive reasoning used in Post 2,222 came from 13-page divorce decree. For example, information regarding the 10-day "knock and nail" notification for Obama SR in Boston came from work with a local Private Investigator and a clerk in a Hawaii Court records office (who will remain nameless to eschew FURTHER harassment to them from the Left). These “contacts” also explained that Marriage and Birth Certificates are NOT Public Record in Hawaii, but divorce decrees ARE Public Record. However, documents that are NOT Public Record have occasionally “popped-up” mixed in with Public Records upon modern review, due to sloppy record-keeping decades ago, as well as changes to Hawaiian privacy statutes since the cases were judged.

Additionally … there's the issue of the missing page from the 1964 divorce papers … page 11 …

In assisting with the retrieval of the initial 8 pages a couple of weeks before Obama’s Inauguration, I and a few other researchers subsequently discovered from the clerk in Hawaii that there were 6 MORE pages, or 14 total pages total. The clerk read the index information directly from the microfiche machine over the phone when the request was placed. “14 pages total,” she said, very clearly, repeating the answer when queried several more times on the page count.

I mailed off a check for the other 6 pages to be sent. Imagine my surprise a few days later when I opened the envelope and only saw 5 pagespage 11 was missing – bringing the total page count to 13.

See the whole Obama 1964 divorce on Scribd.com or as 13 individual images below (in proper order):

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I immediately called the clerk in Hawaii and asked where the extra page was. She looked, and counted, and said that there must be some mistake in the records – she counted only 13 pages that are available for reprint. I pointed out to her that the page count she sent skipped from page 10 to page 12 – page 11 was missing. To that, she suggested that perhaps the pages were simply misnumbered before they where archived into the microfiche.

I accepted her answer, not thinking much about it at the time. Perhaps it was just a clerical error in the 1960s, when hand-filed paper records and IBM punch cards were how court documents were tracked and maintained.

I have since come to learn that Obama and his team of lawyers have been working to sanitize his records since he announced that he'd run for President circa November 2004. Now in the White House, he’s still ACTIVELY blocking subpoenas for such documents as his Cambridge and Occidental College records TODAY – the same type of documents promised to be made available during his campaign. Obama and his lawyers are exceedingly adept at exploiting loopholes in Hawaiian birth certificate law to keep Obama’s past hidden from the American people.

This missing page – page 11 – very likely is a copy of the original birth certificate, based upon the prima facie timeline of the 1964 divorce. The Kenya birth certificate was likely requested on Jan 23, 1964 by either Judge King (to award custody on the next trial date), or recommended to Ann Dunham by her attorney for the ex parte divorce, where only one parent was expected to be present.

The missing page, 11, should be chronologically-numbered as all other pages were in the original docket file, by the court clerk at the time. Starting at page 8, Exhibit A is placed where it would have occurred by date in the paperwork (and appeared on microfiche), even denoting an erased, yet barely-readable "8" on both pages of the returned notification sent to Obama SR. The missing page, numbered as page 11, would likely be a page that would have been admitted to the divorce file sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 – almost as if it were an undocumented “Exhibit B”.

Here’s a very plausible timeline merging the 1964 Obama Divorce papers and new Kenya birth certificate:

Jan 20 (Mon) – divorce request is filed by Stanley Ann D. Obama
Jan 23 (Thur) – divorce orders for trial are given by Judge King at chambers (note – if the judge, or Ann Dunham’s attorney, told her to order the Kenya birth certificate, it would have been mailed 10,000 miles away, to the “Coast Province” Registrar’s office of the “Republic of Kenya”, likely arriving around the first week of February 1964 to be processed)
Jan 28 (Tue) – Gail A. Watanabe, presumably an assistant of Ann Obama attorney George Kerr, mails the notification for trial to Obama SR (her affidavit is signed Feb 3 and filed)
Jan 30 (Thur) – via Air Mail, notification of trial arrives at Obama SR’s Cambridge, Mass, address. The 10-day "knock and nail" notification would have expired on Sun, Feb 9. Therefore, the next trial date would have been automatically set, per Judge King’s instructions, for the first Tuesday, 30 days later, on March 3
Feb 10 (Mon) – allowing for a 10-day “knock and nail” notification for trial, Obama SR's trial notification would have been retrieved by the US Post Office on this date, to be mailed back (as events turned out – UNSIGNED by Obama SR) to Hawaii as an exhibit for trial
Feb 17 (Mon) – the Obama Kenya birth certificate is signed by the “Coast Province” Deputy Registrar, to be mailed back to Hawaii for receipt by Ann Obama and/or her attorney (note: mail time would have ranged from a few days (Air Mail) to a couple of weeks (ship), arriving back in Hawaii in the last week of February to first week of March 3 (Tue). Based upon Judge King’s Jan 23 orders for the next trial date, "at 9:30 a.m. on the first Tuesday after thirty (30) days have elapsed from and after the date" that Obama SR would have been served with the notice of trial. That notification came back, unsigned, by Obama SR, so Ann’s attorneys surely requested, and received Default Judgment for the divorce in her favor for “grievous mental suffering”
Mar 5 (Thur) – trial takes place in favor of divorce in Hawaii, placing custody of Obama JR to his mother by default (note: the trial was likely rescheduled 2 days after the automatically set date of Mar 3, possibly for the convenience of the judge and/or parties)
Mar 20 (Fri) – the divorce decree is signed by Judge King

In Hawaii, birth certificates are not Public Record. If the Kenya birth certificate was a part of the divorce decree, it may have been pulled out at the end of the trial, or more recently by a watchful archivist or attorneys wishing to remove unfavorable information about Obama.


To date, despite other honest attempts to refute the Kenya birth certificate, such as dealing with when the “Republic of Kenya” came into existence as a republic have been “un-bunked.” Dishonest alterations of the Kenya birth certificate have been maliciously created by sites such as Democratic Underground, designed to discredit the Kenya birth certificate – they’ve been un-bunked as well.

Having not actually seeing the Kenya birth certificate, and it’s chain of evidence, no intellectually-honest person can say if it’s real or not. By the same token, none of us have seen or touched the short-form “Certification of Live Birth” that has appeared on Obama’s “Fight the Smears” or FactCheck.org websites.

No one can confirm the chain of evidence of Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth” that has appeared online, which is the abbreviated-version of Obama’s true, 1961, original long-form(s) “Certificate of Live Birth” and associated vital statistics records. Even the Hawaii Department of Health directly refuses to verify Obama’s online COLBs.

Hawaiian law would have allowed for Obama to have been born in a foreign country. The “Certification of Live Birth” can’t confirm if Obama has EVER been eligible to hold the office of Commander in Chief, based upon loopholes in pre-statehood, transitional and current Hawaiian statutes. Inconsistencies, such as conflicting hospitals in Hawaii that Obama, his friends and family have publicly-stated he may have been born only add to the confusion. Obama’s abstract “Certification of Live Birth” doesn't tell us if there were ANY "certifying officials" present who independent verified the "facts" of his birth – it's anyone's guess.

Obama himself cannot guaranty that he was born on American soil – really, who can remember their own childbirth?! Furthermore, his mother’s whereabouts are unconfirmed, inconsistent, and unknown, from the time of Obama’s conception, until a few weeks or months after his birth.

Thus is the purpose of Medical Doctors, Nurses, Midwives and Registrars, acting as "Certifying Officials" of a birth, to ensure the integrity – or chain of evidence – of the birth certificate to be properly recorded within Vital Statistics archives. Judges presiding over divorces ALSO produce a verifiable paper trail, as we can see on the 1964 Obama divorce.

At this time, both Birth Certificates from Kenya and Hawaii lack a publicly-exhibited, independently-verifiable chain of evidence – and chain of custody. As such, the Obama Kenyan birth certificate is as strong and believable a document as the Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth”. However, Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate possesses something the Certification does not – plausibility, based upon independent prima facie facts – the 1964 Obama divorce decree.


6,799 posted on 08/05/2009 2:22:21 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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So you’re saying that this document we’ve seen is very possibly the missing page 11?

And that phony documents presented in the previous few weeks were an obfuscation.

I was wondering why the corporate media was revisiting the, as they put it with great disdain, “birther” issue the past 2 or 3 weeks. Mostly to mock, and label, and make people tired of hearing about it. They knew!! They knew this was coming. And they topped it off by having Dr, Taitz on one of their hatchet shows.

Page 11.


6,807 posted on 08/05/2009 3:37:09 AM PDT by MrLuigi
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To: BP2
let me shout you a nice cold aussie beer!


6,808 posted on 08/05/2009 3:47:34 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: BP2
One more thing I would add, because of smaller size of airmail envelopes, the folds on this document are consistent with how it would have been folded to place it inside one.


6,811 posted on 08/05/2009 4:08:25 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: BP2

Perhaps I have missed it (so many posts), but has a Kenyan BC or COLB (or the equivalent of either) for anyone been posted for comparison?


6,819 posted on 08/05/2009 5:41:35 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (I piddy da foo if JimmyT zots you)
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To: BP2; rxsid; Brytani

FIrst thing dad does is ask what’s new...Just printed the post out for him...He’ll enjoy it with his coffee.

RX, Bryt ping want to make sure you saw this post.


6,820 posted on 08/05/2009 5:47:35 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: BP2

Outstanding work! (Obtaining the divorce papers and noticing the missing page.) Thank you. That’s why I come to FR.


6,821 posted on 08/05/2009 5:49:45 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: BP2

seems well-reasoned to me. thanks.


6,825 posted on 08/05/2009 5:57:05 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: BP2

Bookmarked!


6,830 posted on 08/05/2009 6:14:03 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: BP2

I found your post to be quite informative. Thank you.


6,839 posted on 08/05/2009 9:03:13 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Our Founding Fathers were the first birthers: See Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution.)
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WOW, now that is a well prepared statement. It will be a pleasure to watch it be authenticated...or even dismissed.

Thank you for the effort, it is appreciated.


6,843 posted on 08/05/2009 9:19:39 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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There have been so many posts but I’m pretty sure that Fred Nerks also brought up the fact that there were some missing pages and perhaps the BC had been ‘unstapled’ from them.

Very good timeline....thanks!

Wonder why marriage certificates are not public record? Doesn’t make sense.

One thing for sure, the thugs are trying to stay one step ahead.


6,844 posted on 08/05/2009 9:22:43 AM PDT by azishot (Please join the NRA.)
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Thank you for the ping to your excellent post. I appreciate your effort BP2.


6,850 posted on 08/05/2009 9:50:41 AM PDT by Oorang (Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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You’re the best.

http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6793&posts=1#M19775


6,855 posted on 08/05/2009 9:58:05 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Just say NO to national socialism!)
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Thank you for the great work you have done.


6,859 posted on 08/05/2009 10:13:54 AM PDT by m4629 (politically incorrect, and proud of it)
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Thanks, BP2

Amazing research!

Ping.


6,867 posted on 08/05/2009 10:47:07 AM PDT by Iowan
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Thank you. Very helpful, and I’m impressed.

You apparently just completed a full decade on FR. Congrats.


6,874 posted on 08/05/2009 11:01:16 AM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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Excellent post (6977). Just wanted to remind folks that the Kenya Grandmother also testified that she was at BHO birth in Kenya!


6,890 posted on 08/05/2009 11:50:25 AM PDT by txoilman
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I nominate you for the Presidential Medal of Freedom to be awarded during the Palin administration.


6,896 posted on 08/05/2009 12:07:12 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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Great post man!


6,913 posted on 08/05/2009 12:56:08 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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I join the others and say "GREAT post, BP2!"

So it appears Dr. Taitz' Kenyan BC remains valid?

6,924 posted on 08/05/2009 1:34:33 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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