[BP2]

Jeez, guys!! I try to take some time off today from this stuff -- and then THIS comes out ... oh well.

My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.

Here we go:

Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).

Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.

When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.

Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.

However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.

NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.

Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.

If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.

Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.

As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "upgraded" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the shorter “Certification of Live Birth” we see today presented as proof of birth from Barack Hussein Obama II.

I can’t vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.

It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.

HOWEVER -- the dates DO "line up" for the Kenyan Birth Certificate to be REAL.

[TheBigIf]

Great post!

[Jeff Head]

Thought I would save this to my computer, Thumb drive, and server...and try and enhance it a little.

[BIGLOOK]

Excellent timeline, BP2.

It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.

Note the folds in the document; it looks like it was stuffed in an envelope and mailed to whoever requested it. It may have been in Hawaii all along, in a place that would have been much more difficult to sanitize than the Hawaii State Registrar's offices.

[Cicero]

Fantastic. My internet connection is really bad today, so I haven’t been able to read this whole thread, but your timeline suggestion is really significant, I think.

[Freedom2specul8]

Can’t see the pics on this phone, but that post makes connects some dots quite well. Wow! Great job, Thanks!

[BonRad]

BP2 for President!

[woofie]

Can you post your timeline in a separate thread ?

I think it would be good if it stood alone or if someone can compile the really good factual stuff in one thread

Good stuff

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Oh Boy....Lovely...I like!

Good Work.......

The above refers to post #2222

[perfect_rovian_storm]

You should make this a whole thread of its own. Otherwise it’ll get lost in all of the noise.

[justiceseeker93]

Congrats on your excellent research linking the date of issuance if the posted document to the time frame of the Obama divorce!

One small quibble: It would seem as if Kenya did not make documents called "birth certificates," rather they were referred to as "birth registrations." Nonetheless, the presiding judge in the divorce case likely had no trouble accepting the posted document in lieu of the original Kenyan "birth registration."

[ExTexasRedhead]

Anyone that can prove the truth that’s alive today may be room temperature this evening.

[paulycy]

Please post as a separate thread?

[newfreep]

Great post and exceptional logical & cogent points! That said, I fear all docs have been scrubbed and we may never get the truth exposed (but hope I'm wrong). Definitely worthy of repeating...

If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.

Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.

[4FreeSpeach]

” Furthermore, it’s quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate “loopholes” and told her how to file for a Hawaiian “Certificate of Delayed Birth” to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.

As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been “upgraded” later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a “root document” of the shorter “Certification of Live Birth” we see today presented as proof of birth from Barack Hussein Obama II.”

Then how do you explain the long standing contemporaneous birth announcement in two Hawaiian newspapers on microfilm in multiple Hawaiian libraries?

“Also, the two Honolulu newspapers report that they carried brief announcements of the birth of a boy to the Obamas in 1961. Said the Aug. 13 birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, son, Aug. 4.””

http://www.kansascity.com/437/story/1359646.html

Simply, this tells me Obama WAS born in early August of 1961 in Hawaii and this Kenyan document on this thread has a VERY high credibility problem! What is the purpose of its falsification?

Where to focus? There is probably something else VERY embarrassing on the long form birth certificate and the Occidental College records. Focus on that.

[Lexinom]

You are one bang-up investigator!

Here's hoping that the phrase "Post 2222" enters the common vernacular.

[Sprite518]

You make a hell of a case. Great research!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Another BUMP in the road to a great post.

[STARWISE]

Per usual, EXCELLENT INFORMATION !! Thank you ....!

Those on FR who HAVE NOT been immersed in this topic for over a year have NO idea of the

***hours and weeks and months of time hunting the complexities, fiction, facts, minutiae, and sheer humongous scope of

***ALL the information, disinformation, charades, obstacles, smoke and mirrors and scenarios involved with this peculiar person who has ascended the highest of heights,

*** yet with the strangest and most radical of pasts, affiliations, ideologies, networks, backers, travels, family/ies, deals, documentations, fake documentations and connections.

Spend some time doing keyword searches: obamatruthfile,
certifigate, kenya, birthcertificate, naturalborn, hawaii, naturalborncitizen .. check the keywords at the top of the main Forum page.

We ABSOLUTELY NEED KEYWORDS WHEN THREADS ARE POSTED. SO many don’t use them, and it stinks.

Otherwise, if you miss the front page and are looking to see certain topics, you’re lost. But when folks post threads, if they put in the proper keywords, those coming after the fact .. hours afterward .. can search by that keyword, and all articles with it will come up.

FReepers have been on the frontlines of this .. since Day One!! HOO AAH!!

[nikos1121]

One question. Where did this thing come from. Hillary?

[John Valentine]

It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.

I need to explain how birth records are kept in Kenya and many developing countries. The record of the birth is entered on a sequentially numbered page in a securely bound book, and the pages are sequentially filled with records, which are indexed elsewhere for retreval. This document is unitary and is never duplicated or removed from the bound, sequentially nummbered pages.

If a record of a birth is required for any purpose, a fee is paid to the registrar who prepares a certificate attesting to the facts as contained in the original record and issues it under seal. Thus, there could be several or indeed many copies of a record issued to different individuals and at different times, but the underlying document in the record book remains unaltered and unchanged.

There ARE NO birth multiple records hidden away in Kenya, only the one, and it cannot be altered or changed without creating a very noticable gap in the book. This is one area where old fashioned record keeping may have an advantage over modern digital methods.

The present document that we are looking at on FR is very much anagous to the Hawwaii COLB, in that it is a secondary document attesting to facts extracted from a different, primary document.

The present document must have been requested by someone. They don't go around making copies of vital recored for the entertainment value. Somebody requested it for a purpose, and it is the suspicion of many that it had to to with the Obama-Dunham divorce.

At any rate this document was either purloined from some archival court record, or it was among the personal documents of either Stanly Ann or Obama Sr.

How it has become public is a question that needs to be answered in order to know how much credibility to give it. Until the provenance is established beyond doubt, it will be continually trashed as a forgery.