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To: Non-Sequitur
By the way, I overlooked something in my previous response.

You wrote: Since everything is the fault of Lincoln, then it would only be fair to project a confederacy based on the policies of Jefferson Davis, wouldn't you agree?

I don't recall ever saying everything was the fault of Lincoln, or of ever even saying anything bad about Lincoln. The only exception might be that (as a warning to the anti-Confederacy folks) I sometimes note that Lincoln could easily be declared a non-person and purged from the American heroes list if the same standards were applied to him that are applied to the Confederates. Other than his opposition to slavery (though he was willing tolerate its presence to preserve the union) he was a pretty non-PC fellow. I don't hate Lincoln at all and usually don't even participate in the debates over the whether secession was right or wrong, whether the North or the South was to blame, etc.

I mainly participate in these debates to defend our rights to honor our ancestors and our regional heritage, and to challenge the idiotic and destructive campaign to demonize the Confederacy, its leaders, and its soldiers. Because unless this is stopped, it's going to lead to some very bad national consequences later.

505 posted on 03/23/2009 8:46:20 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: puroresu
I don't recall ever saying everything was the fault of Lincoln, or of ever even saying anything bad about Lincoln.

But Lincoln was the death of our Republic, isn't that what all you Southron types believe? His actions led to the end of the government our founders created for us, isn't that what you all say? He was a tyrant, and big government supporter, blah, blah, blah.

The only exception might be that (as a warning to the anti-Confederacy folks) I sometimes note that Lincoln could easily be declared a non-person and purged from the American heroes list if the same standards were applied to him that are applied to the Confederates.

For example? And I'm really interested in hearing what you have to say on this.

Other than his opposition to slavery (though he was willing tolerate its presence to preserve the union) he was a pretty non-PC fellow.

Under what standards? By the standards of today? I'd be hard pressed to think of any American leader of the 18th and 19th century who wouldn't come off non-PC under those conditions. But if you judge Lincoln by the standards of his era then I suggest he comes off pretty well by comparison with his peers.

I mainly participate in these debates to defend our rights to honor our ancestors and our regional heritage, and to challenge the idiotic and destructive campaign to demonize the Confederacy, its leaders, and its soldiers. Because unless this is stopped, it's going to lead to some very bad national consequences later.

And I will state for the record, as I have in the past, that I honestly don't care if you want to honor your ancestors or your heritage. I think you should be free to honor them in your way. You want a confederate memorial day? Have at it. I don't live in the South so I don't get to say what holidays you celebrate. You want to fly your confederate flag? More power to you. Feel free to do it in peace and without any interference or comment from me. You want to honor your Southern heroes? Knock yourself out.

But you have your resons for being on these threads and I have mine. And my reason is that for oh so many of your Southron compatriots, celebrating your heroes and your heritage requires that you trash mine.

514 posted on 03/23/2009 9:08:13 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: puroresu; cowboyway
I mainly participate in these debates to defend our rights to honor our ancestors and our regional heritage

Here's the thing. My first post on this thread was to point out that there were principled people on both sides of the Civil War and that events needed to be viewed in light of the time in which they occurred. At no time did I attempt to demonize the south. It's produced many honorable men.

So an attempt to show respect to Confederate participants unleashed an hysterical insult-a-thon aimed at Yankees.

If there's a chasm, it wasn't constructed by only those damned Yankees.

517 posted on 03/23/2009 9:10:10 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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