Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.
With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.
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Er. You be done misplaced yo’ comma, NS.
“...heroic defense of states rights and republican values ...
Well, for two-thirds of the population anyway.”
It was most certainly a heroic defense of republican values, your own Northern Leftist smugness aside. The Founders wrote slavery into the Constitution, and Athenians, Romans, and Spartans owned slaves. Thomas Jefferson — a Francophilic “man of the people” who supported the very Jacobin criminals who were Vladimir Lenin’s model for his creation of the Bolsheviks — wrote that blacks and whites were destined to be equally free, but that they could never live together in equal freedom. The genocide known as the Civil War (complete with Sherman’s March to the Sea), the theft of the plantations, the anarcho-tyranny of the Radical Reconstruction along with the creation of the first federal income tax are blights on the history of the North. The massive increase in federal government expansionism dates to this disastrous period of Radical Republican government and to Radical Abolitionism, hence the 14th Amendment that makes all the world’s anchor babies “Americans” (hence 4,000 Gazan jihadists can move here at any time). Later came the tragic 17th Amendment that destroyed the function of Senators, and with it the Republic. Afterwards, the New Deal — which was neither new, nor a deal (it was shoved down the Supreme Court’s throat by the Stalin-sympathizer FDR) — was the beginning of the federal government’s war on modern capitalism. Now, enter the black thugs of ACORN, Obama, Eric Holder calling America “a nation of cowards” concerning race, the proposed civilian security force, and gun confiscation. You should see where this is all going. (I do not have a drop of Confederate blood.)
However, I do give you credit for spelling “grammar” correctly.
You’re one of the few Yanks I’ve seen able to do so.
Congrats, oh High One!
More accurately? I think not. The country is the United States, the individual states are parts of the whole.
Moreover, it should be noted that the Confederate forces in the so-called Civil War were not actually “rebels” as ignorant historians and federal officials commonly refer to them.
If one considers 'rebels' as those in rebellion, and considering 'rebellion' is defined as 'open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government' then rebels is a very accurate description.
This fact exists because, then and now, the United States has no lawful authority to force any state to remain in the Union, nor the authority to conquer any state.
The Constitution gives the government the right to oppose insurrections or rebellions and enforce the law.
“Nothing to correct.”
Let me help~
The alleged President, Lincoln, assumed un-Constitutional war powers and secession was labelled ‘rebellion’. The war which followed could not be a ‘war’ - since the alleged Congress never declared war, as required by law - instead, it must have been a ‘police action’. This sham blossomed during the martial law period of ‘Reconstruction’ and the forced ‘ratification’ of the “14th Amendment” became the cornerstone of the new United Slaves of America.
“The Constitution gives the government the right to oppose insurrections or rebellions...”
For your sake, make sure you know where you are headed with this given today’s terrific situation in Amerika.
Best Regards,
BR
Unfortunately, with this type of attitude prevalent, there is only one tool that can correct a renegade central authority, the ballot or the cartridge box?
The former seems too slow the later was tried and failed. So this is the crux.
“insurrections or rebellions”
Attention..They LEFT the Union
March 4, 1801 Thomas Jefferson
If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand, undisturbed, as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
They entered into a compact (which is called the Constitution of the United States of America), by which they agreed to unite in a single government as to their relations with each other, and with foreign nations, and as to certain other articles particularly specified. They retained at the same time, each to itself, the other rights of independent government, comprehending mainly their domestic interests.~Thomas Jefferson
“That it will be a federal and not a national act, as these terms are understood by the objectors; the act of the people, as forming so many independent States, not as forming one aggregate nation [...] Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its voluntary act” (James Madison, Federalist Papers, Number 39).
They south may need to change their 1861 Constitution of that slavery thing. A few updates are needed but the singe 6 year presidency and the line item veto are good.
Well Good Ole Honest Abe wasn't too Noble himself. He didn't like blacks. He didn't really care for them. He didn't want to be with them. He was a Segregationist actually. Ever hear of U.S.C.T.? Go visit a National Cemetery where Civil War Vets lay at rest. Notice one side for white one side for black. Also ignore the fact that till the war started slavery was still legal in a few northern states.
The Civil War was fought over two major issues. States Rights and the economy of the day. Northern Industrialist has Good Old Honest Abe in their control. The south was thriving and becoming a competitive threat. Slavery in the north AFTER the factories and automation was developed on the free labor of blacks was a liability to the corporations as owning them meant having to care for them also. It was abolished in the north because owning slaves was a monetary liability just as if left alone it would have been in Dixie within a decade or two. It had little to do with the conscience of our leaders of the day.
The Civil War kept slavery going in the south for decades afterward only then it was called the company store. Meaning places like rural coal towns where men worked for wages far below what the goods {food, clothing, housing etc,} at the company store sold for{the only stores for miles as the companies owned the land for miles} existed. Automation and not any written laws or declarations finally ended this practice.
The Republican Party was born and began shredding the Constitution and destroying States Rights and the dog has now along with Liberal Dems returned to it's own vomit. Used to be you wanted to find a Conservative you had to find a Democrat in the southern states. Now if you want to find a Liberal just go north of the Mason Dixon and many have a -R following their names as well asquite a few in the south.
As for the leaders of the CSA especially the military commanders? Many were of the high ranking were West Point graduates and laid out some of the best battle plans of the era. The problems came when the CSA political leadership during the war became as corrupt as the Washington DC political leadership. Such blunders as Braxton Bragg not being relieved of command early on. He alone by not listening to his more successful than he was Field Commanders cost the south plenty. A Confederate General of lower rank showing up Bragg on the Battlefield was a career ending act. Braggs sucesses were actually those of his underlings.
If the south had won slavery would have died by the 1890's. Instead the war created an economic and political backlash which lasted into the late 1950's in some parts of Dixie.
Plenty of smaller local wars after the Civil War were fought in Dixie against the government and won. One happened in the East Tennessee mountains where a bunch of coal miners took on the Tennessee Militia and won. They captured it's C.O. The issue was over prision labor taking miners jobs and over saftey issues.
Lincoln is not the Honest benevolent leader P.C. history painted him. He was the original Northern Industrialist Owned Puppet Republican who began us on the course where we are today politically.
As for slavery? The ownership of such was a huge responsibility both economically and morally. Read your Bible to understand that part. When the war ended many former slaves returned to where they were and then both former owner and former slave lived in poverty for decades to come. The slaves had nowhere to go sure not the north because they didn't want them.
Abe Lincoln and the north as such free'd no one but rather paved the way for government to now enslave us all. Slavery comes in all kinds of ways and forms. U.S. history is full of Post Civil War slavery. Behold the newly elected master now pushes leglislation this very hour to accomplish it himself. Political Correctness prohibits anyone calling it for what is really is though.
Whose suspension? Lincoln's or that of Jefferson Davis? The difference being Lincoln only imprisoned a suspected Copperhead bridge burner in Maryland while Tyrant Davis hung suspected Unionist bridge burners in Tennessee. So much for the freedom-loving Confederates.
I'm no admirer of the Confederacy, but it's hard to take seriously such stupidity as found in Brooks' statement:
"These Southern states really still have not come back into the Union," he said. "That is why it's been so difficult over the years to get the states to recognize that flying the Confederate emblem on the flag, holding re-enactments and pushing these calendar events as a matter of law is a reflection ... of their Confederate mentality."
Equating people so interested in history to take part in reenactments with a "confederate mentality"?!! Too bad Brooks can't find a hobby other than finding ways to fleece taxpayers. The guy is so busy running his mouth he's seemed to have forgotten how to use his brain.
“Southern actions of any kind were not opposed until the South chose war.”
Interesting. I guess that’s why the secession gave Lincoln the vapors, and he vowed to restore the Unionon, no mater what it took. That sure sounds to me like he and his ilk opposed “Southern actions.”
“You seem to be the one who can’t keep their bullshit straight. Go back you your reply 194 and tell me again you were talking about tariffs.”
Go back to my original comment re: Lincoln and the revenues. Revenues are made up of tariffs and taxes, which are just two different names for pretty much the same thing, though applied differently.
“And what would you know about country and Constitution?”
A damn sight more than you, I wager.
Ok, when you break that down, The Southern States choose independence and prepared for a possible federal invasion. Nobody, except barbarians, chooses war. The guy is off the wall, makes me wonder about Kansas. I keep hearing don't worry about Kansas, it's a deep Red state bla, bla,bla. They got themselves a real flamer there, they do.
“What’s your excuse? Some Yankee bite you when you were a child or something?”
I live in Illinois, you dolt. If I hated the North why would I be here? (I do, though, hate the winters up here.) My contempt is for the Lincoln Administration and the gadflies who supported him, and who were instrumental in bringing upon this nation a horrific calamity. I have no animosity whatsoever for Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, et als (though I do loathe Butler), and, in fact, I respect their war-fighting ability. You, on the other hand, have the basest contempt for Lee, Jackson, Johnson, Longstreet, et als, and are so blinded by your hatred that you are wholly incapable of giving them any martial credit at all, even though for more than two years they were kicking Yankee butt all over the Shenandoah and the Piedmont.
“I keep hearing don’t worry about Kansas, it’s a deep Red state bla, bla,bla. They got themselves a real flamer there, they do.”
No kidding.
I guess you would make you a loyal Copperhead? I trade you Johnston for Sheridan and a future unnamed pick.
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