Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.
With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.
(Excerpt) Read more at courant.com ...
“That’s as stupid as saying that California is not a bastion of the Democratic party because their governor is Arnold Schwartzenegger.”
California is liberal, but it is NOT a bastion of the Democrat Party, though the Republicans it does tend to elect (like Arnold) are more Democrat than Republican. Tell me again what Republican credentials Kathleen Sebelius brought to Kansas.
“Admit it, Southern states didn’t begin to switch to the GOP until you found you could change and still keep your big spending, big government ways.”
Of all the absurd comments you’ve made over the years, this one is right up there with the most ludicrous. Tell me again which states get the most money from the American taxpayer. Tell me again which Southern states are so awash in big federal government programs and spending in comparison to all the other states.
I love the United States, and have fought for it, and would do so again. You, on the other hand, you love only a part of the United States, and you vehemently loathe the rest of it.
California was a Union state, which makes Reagan a Yankee in every way. Don't you know anything?
“But he was your governor.”
You are well-named as non-sequitur, because Blago has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Absolutely nothing.
“Rebel conscription laws and desertion and draft avoidance rates. There were whole sections of some rebel states where the confederate government dared not go due to deserters and draft dodgers. Maybe it was just the cause?”
Links, please. You demand them of everyone who disagrees with you, so trot out yours.
“Mebbe you should save up and buy a map johnny.”
WTF are you talking about? A map of what, and for what purpose.
What are them shackles around your neck of the new American slave? Welfare, grants, entitlements, congressional pork projects, government contracts, public “service” occupations; regulation upon regulation making the lives of the good socialist slave more secure. And convenient. And comfortably complacent.
Slowly, over generations, we have succumbed to an involuntary servitude, fools for the promise of green paper and fantastic plastic; with a tax of over 50 percent of the average American’s income, to feed a swarm of socialist enterprises, which pretend they are “good for us”; all the while “assuming” a staggering incomprehensible “debt” to unseen bankers. And we all know what “assume” does to you and me. Puts a whole new color on the word slave, don’t it?
NS, it’s nice to see they haven’t moved the cracker barrel.
Cheers.
“And the first income tax was levied by the confederate government, in 1861. Source.”
I was talking about the United States’ first income tax, and you know it. The Confederacy was a separate nation by that time, and not bound by Lincoln’s wet dreams. But the tax Lincoln imposed was the first in the United States (of which, as stated alfready, the Confederate States of America was not a part). Oh, if the Confederacy was not a separate and sovereign nation, than why didn’t Lincoln’s income tax apply to it, as well? Why didn’t Lincoln collect those taxes if they were supposed to apply to all the states of the “Union”? Or, did Lincoln violate the Constitution yet again by only applying taxes on a specific portion of the United States?
“California was a Union state, which makes Reagan a Yankee in every way. Don’t you know anything?”
California was a mixed-bag...
THE SECESSION MOVEMENT IN CALIFORNIA: 1861
“There is a strong Union feeling with the majority of the people of this State, but the secessionists are much the most active and zealous party, which gives them more influence than they ought to have from their numbers. I have no doubt but there is some deep scheming to draw California into the secession movement; in the first place as the “Republic of the Pacific,” expecting afterward to induce her to join the Southern Confederacy. The troops now here will hold their positions and all the Government property, but if there should be a general uprising of the people, they could not, of course, put it down. I think the course of events at the East will control events here. So long as the General Government is sustained and holds the capital the secessionists can not carry this State out of the Union.”
(letter from Gen. Edwin V. Sumner to Lt. Col. Townsend dated San Francisco, April 21, 1861)
June. 1864
This is to certify that I have received from Wells, Fargo, & Co. the sum of $____ cash, for the purpose of outfitting recruits in California for the Confederate States Army.
R. Henry Ingram, Captain, Commanding Co., C.S.A
Like hell. It's given the Democrats fifty-odd electoral votes in every election since 1988.
Tell me again what Republican credentials Kathleen Sebelius brought to Kansas.
Kansas' Republican credentials are in our two Republican senators, our 3 Republican congressmen, and the fact that we go Republican in just about every presidential election by margins far larger than virtually all the Southern states.
Tell me again which states get the most money from the American taxpayer.
OK. A 2005 comparison of tax dollars received vs. tax dollars paid shows that the confederacy accounted for 4 out of the top ten. All except Texas and Florida received more federal dollars than they paid out. Link
It continues to day with the current pork-laden spending bills.
I love the United States, and have fought for it, and would do so again. You, on the other hand, you love only a part of the United States, and you vehemently loathe the rest of it.
Oh please. I have nothing against the South per se. I was stationed down there for many years. It's unreconstructed rebels that I have the contempt for, and who's loyalty to my country that I doubt.
“That’s OK. Avoiding military service has a long history in the South.”
Are you deliberately posting ignorant comments? WTeffing hell is wrong with you?
“And no hostile action had been taken towards them until they initiated the war by firing on Sumter.”
So, you are ignoring your comment that the South initiated war to accomplish its aims (of secession), right? Of course you are, because your comment about the South initiating war in order to secede is unsupported by the facts.
Do I? Then why did you post this? "Lincoln tried to make up for the loss of Southern revenues by instituting an income tax (the first in America, by the way), a move that was so unpopular it posed a threat to his presidency."
Or did the confederacy secede from America as well as the U.S.?
Non-sequitur is, I believe, a government employee, so he will champion its cause all the way to the boxcars and the ovens. Do not expect him to admit he is a slave.
“Maybe it was just the cause?”
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Well, which is it? If they were deserters as you say, were they right in your precious mind, oh, humble one? Or, were they mongrels for deserting?
“Oh please. I have nothing against the South per se. I was stationed down there for many years. It’s unreconstructed rebels that I have the contempt for, and who’s loyalty to my country that I doubt.”
Yes, you do: You have never said one positive thing about the South; your contempt for it is well known on FR. What happened when you were stationed in the South to fill you with such hatred and loathing?? Some nice Southern girl slap your face when you tried to cop a feel? And as for loyalty, I think it’s pretty obvious that your loyalty is first and foremost, once and forever, to the government, and not to the country and its people and thei Constitution. That explains why you are such a Lincoln admirer.
“Do I? Then why did you post this? ‘Lincoln tried to make up for the loss of Southern revenues by instituting an income tax (the first in America, by the way), a move that was so unpopular it posed a threat to his presidency.’ Or did the confederacy secede from America as well as the U.S.?”
The reference was to the U.S. and its tariffs, and you know it. Don’t try to play bullshit little games.
“What are them shackles around your neck of the new American slave? Welfare, grants, entitlements, congressional pork projects, government contracts, public “service” occupations; regulation upon regulation making the lives of the good socialist slave more secure. And convenient. And comfortably complacent.”
Damn good post, Idabilly. However, some don’t get it ... yet.
I said to achieve it's aims, not to achieve secession. You're the one finding meanings that aren't there. Southern acts of secession were not opposed militarily. Southern actions of any kind were not opposed until the South chose war.
“’There was nothing noble about the Confederacy. Nothing.’
‘You want to discuss this, or have you made up your Yankee mind? I guess there is nothing wrong with the USA today? The states area joke.
And what has the Yankee wrought? An overwhelming federal state that is just about to crush every thing I hold precious.
Mr. Lincoln you freed the slaves which was right, however, in doing so we are all now to be slaves of the federal state? A surgeon doesn’t kill the patient while declaring the surgery a success?’”
I agree with the latter statement. For all his reputation as a white supremacist, Lincoln submitted to his kill-whitey (see John Brown), proto-communist (see Robert Dale Owen), radical-abolitionist croneys who drove the terrorist Radical Reconstruction that started with the disastrous presidency of Andrew Johnson. Obama is Johnson’s successor in spirit.
Even a Yankee like me can see that America is dying from the evil abetted long ago by the suspension of habeas corpus. Although there were once a fair number of Northern Confederate sympathizers and Northerners who were at least against the Civil War that murdered in cold blood approximately 2% of all Americans who were alive during the War, there are not many of us anymore — thanks to the communists’ system of indoctrination and reeducation, coupled with a striking absence of historical memory in our regions.
God bless!
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