V-shaped UFOs in NM photos

examiner ^ | January 16 2009

[JoeProBono]

CHAMA, NM - Several meandering V-shaped UFOs near a mountain slope here turned up on a woman's digital photos. Three photos shot with a 21 megapixel camera caught multiple crafts approaching in the first frame, one craft in frame two moving close to the ground while the others take positions in the sky, and then frame three shows all of the crafts moving out of the area.

[JoeProBono]

Per request

[stockpirate]

No problem, and thanks for slamming the naysayers here. I have explored so much on UFO’s over the last 45 years it is mind numbing.

Debates for for me are not to prove my position but to allow me to explore my own position outside of myself.

[JesusBmyGod]

No intentions of making you cry a flood, perhaps a river? lol I'm delighted that sharing the vision my friend received has blessed you so much. May many more blessings come your way today and the days that follow.

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. I think there are many preconceived ideas that will be utterly destroyed as the Lord unfolds His plan of final judgment and redemption. Just as He went after the gods of Egypt to facilitate the exodus, He will be destroying the gods of this age until all will declare that He alone is GOD, there is no other.

[Quix]

THANKS MUCH.

Went with one of the articles just above.

[Quix]

That’s quite reasonable, to me.

I do a lot of that, too.

[Quix]

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

INDEED! INDEED! INDEED!

Likewise the blessings to you and yours.

THX.

[Quix]

ONE of the reasons your friend’s vision is so plausible in addition to just observing the trend lines in the field . . .

is that OThuga has appointed, IIRC, 5 or 6 people to his Cabinet and other high positions who have the most awareness of the UFO field from the Klinttoon Admin and who would be quickest to hit the ground running as this literally falls out of the sky into everyone’s daily awareness.

Given that and Kissenger delcaring that OThuga’s task is to take the USA and world into the NWO . . .

Folks willfully blind and willfully asleep at the switch and who those who are addicted to chronic denial clinging desperately to the way things have always been

ARE IN FOR SOME VERY RUDE AWAKENINGS.

[Quix]

HERE'S an interesting bit about tangible evidence as well as Rockefeller's private commission on the topic. The rest of the article is at the link below. Quix may put color emphases & extra paragraphing for readability, in . . . . . .

HERE: http://www.karenlyster.com/ufoland.html

The rich really are different. When Laurance S. Rockefeller yes, those Rockefellers wanted to know more about UFOs, he didn’t have to satisfy his curiosity at alien-hunters’ Web sites or in the Weird Science section of Barnes & Noble. He asked Peter A. Sturrock, the former director of the Center for Space Science and Astrophysics at Stanford University, to convene a private meeting of a dozen top scientists at the Pocantico Conference Center, on the grounds of the old Rockefeller family estate 20 miles north of Manhattan. Sturrock’s guest list and agenda was noteworthy for its omissions. Bob Lazar, who claimed to have reverse-engineered UFOs at Area 51, wasn’t invited. Neither was alien-buster Philip J. Klass of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal. Roswell, the ‘face’ on Mars and other familiar sightings got little attention.

Instead, researchers from Princeton University, Stanford, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and the Center for Space Research in France focused on cases with more meat on their bones’ sightings in which physical evidence was left behind. ‘While their findings were not conclusive, I hope [they] will raise the level of the debate,’ Rockefeller said afterward.

Ask most scientists what they think of the UFO enigma and you will almost certainly get a scoff and a brushoff like, ‘There’s not one shred of evidence,’ says Bernard Haisch, an astronomer with more than 100 scientific publications to his credit. ‘That answer is simply not true. The problem is that this evidence does not follow our expected scientific logic, and so scientists dismiss what is, in fact, a huge number of accounts.

Many sighting reports, as absurd as they sometimes appear, are probably real. Most professional scientists never bother to look at the evidence. Instead, the dogmatic dismissals by professional debunkers, which are often patently ridiculous, are simply taken at face value.’ As you will see for yourself, some of the cases discussed at Pocantico are difficult for even die-hard skeptics to ignore.

Police Cruiser Blackout

Luis Delgado was a 28-year-old patrolman for the Haines City, Fla., police department when he became part of one of the most compelling UFO sightings. It happened about 3:50 am, on March 19, 1992. Delgado noticed a rapidly descending green light in his rearview mirror as he drove down a street alongside a citrus grove. The light seemed to keep pace with his cruiser, until he slowed down.

Then the silent, dome-shaped object flew overhead, filling his police cruiser with a brilliant green glow. He pulled to a stop, and the power in his vehicle went dead. For the next several minutes he stood outside his car watching the 15-ft.-wide craft hover silently in front of him. It seemed to float about 10 ft. off the ground, cooling the surrounding air to the point at which it formed a foggy mist. Then, just as quickly as it appeared, it sped away. Delgado returned to his car, and found the electrical system was again operating.

‘The scientific panel was very impressed by cases in which electrical equipment was disrupted,’ says Michael D. Swords, of Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo, Mich. A conference participant at Pocantico, Swords told Popular Mechanics that this type of encounter is far more common than most people realize. UFO investigator Mark Rodeghier of the Center for UFO Studies in Chicago told the conference at Pocantico that over the past 50 years more than 500 similar reports had been filed.

What distinguishes the Delgado sighting is the inherent credibility of the observer. As a police officer, Delgado had nothing to gain and possibly a great deal to lose by coming forward with his account.

[Quix]

And from:

HERE: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread432751/pg1

ATS THREAD:

posted on 30/1/2009 @ 17:21

Physical Evidence of UFOs: A Look At Molten Metal

Ah the Unidentified Flying Object Phenomena. Space aliens? Interdimensional beings? The devil, posing as a peaceful race from Sirius? Airforce pilots, under hypnosis, flying top-secret black projects? I am not here to debate "what" they are, but I am here to attempt and prove that "they" indeed exist. Now, the word "prove" in itself is a strong word. Uncontested documentation, repeated testing with the same results, and undoubted knowledge, defines proof. So maybe "proof" is too strong a word. I am here to simply present my case, for physical evidence. I am going to focus on one specific aspect of UFO's. Molten Metals. After a quick ATS search, all I found was miles of red tape, and 9/11 threads debating molten metal at the 9/11 ground zero site.

On several accounts molten metals have been witnessed as being discharged from various forms of craft. In addition, civillians have captured this substance and have submitted it to various agencies, including the Air Force, and university labs. ARCASM Surprisingly, the materials disappeared when submitted to the Air Force. However, independent labs had some interesting findings.

Before we go over the actual substance, let's define molten metal(s).

Any blacksmith, steelworker, or general maintenance man can describe what molten metal is. However, there is basically NO definite answer on the internet. A quick glance at Webster's yields no results. Molten metal is a melted form of various solid elements, namely metals. That was easy. Molten metals are used to cast shapes, forms, or products for us on a daily basis. Car parts, steel beams (Go Steelers, had to say it, I'm from Pittsburgh), and basically anything that involves a specialized form is cast from a molten substance.

The Evidence

First, I would like to cite the first report I saw on this specific topic. It was on UFO Hunters (show titled UFO's: The Physical Evidence). I cannot find a YouTube, but you all know where to view this show. If anybody can provide a link that would be great.

Basically, as I remember it, the story was on the water in Canada. Fishermen noticed a UFO, saucer shaped, which ejected a large portion of molten metal into the water. As the metal hit the water it oxidized. The guys collected evidence that had been underwater for x amount of years and found a pure form of magnesium in the sandbed. Interesting.

Secondly, I would to cite the well-known case of Rendlesham Forest. The first incident, where Airman First Class John Burroughs stumbled upon a glazed craft in the woods. Note, this was prior to Col. Halt's experience. Burroughs, and his security team stumbled upon a:

I do not now whether this was some kind of machine under intelligent control or a fantastic natural phenomenon - some rare kind of energy. What I do know is that it was nothing mundane. There are no words that can adequately describe the wonder of what we saw

If I remember correctly, in a show that was featured on the History Channel last weekend, he said a black, glazed craft sitting on the ground of the forest. The craft abruptly took off and expelled "molten metal" as he described it.

[Quix]

I think this can serve as a warning to thoughtful Believers:

from:

http://michaelsheiser.com/UFOReligions/2008/12/are-christians-the-only-ones-who-consider-et-evil/

I hope you caught his drift. In some early posts on this blog (those detailing “Balducci’s Conundrum”), I pointed out Partridge’s work on identifying clear parallels between the beliefs of those who embrace presumed ETs as “ascended masters” with theosophical/ Eastern occult/religious traditions.

Partridge echoes that same conclusion here: those whose view of ET as some sort of transcendent enlightened being tend to be intellectually rooted in theosophical thinking. But here’s the follow-up: that means these same people do NOT have the teachings of Christianity as their guiding intellectual framework.

By putting forth the thesis that those who view ETs as malevolent are intellectually rooted in Christian theological conceptions of demons, he is arguing that theology is at the heart of the disagreement over what or who ET is.

The transcendent ET vs. the malevolent ET is an intellectual parallel to Theosophy/Eastern religious ideas vs. Christianity. Partridge aims to prove this by arguing that there is no “malevolent being” tradition in Theosophy / Eastern religion that provides an explanation for how that view arose-and so the only viable explanation is the Christian notion of the demonic.

This raises two questions: (1) Has anyone else out there, aside from those whose worldview framework is based on Christianity, been calling the ETs of pop culture and “fringe” experience demons? Does anyone else besides Christians think this way about ETs? Partridge would seem to be saying “No.” (2) ”Without Christianity, would anyone have viewed ET as evil?” If there had been no Christian framework in operation to comment on the experiences of those who say they have been abducted, for example, would anyone have viewed ET as malevolent?

Bottom line: is the “malevolent ET” view uniquely Christian? What think ye? How would you rebut Partridge’s thesis (or affirm it)?

Technorati Tags: aliens, Christianity, demons, extraterrestrials, religion

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Yet again, The Christian world view is unique in it’s declaration of The Truths of God and of Reality.

[Quix]

PING to above.

[JesusBmyGod]

It is interesting how the stage has been set. Even the Pope came out a while back letting folks know that it was OK to believe in UFO's. I shudder to think of all the ways the administration will use the UFO's to draw the sheeple to the slaughter.

I am amazed at the level of willful ignorance that is displayed all around us, especially in the church. I've tried several times to talk to folks about the season we are living in and providing facts that line up with the Word of God, only to receive a glassy-eyed stare and a change in topic.

[Quix]

Again from:

http://www.karenlyster.com/ufoland.html

Recently declassified documents explain what it might have been. During the 1950s and 1960s, the U.S. Air Force experimented with electrostatic drives. In
A sample of the Ubatuba debris (below) examined under a microscope (above) revealed a higher level of purity than occurs in nature.

[micrograph] PHOTOS [at the link] COURTESY OF WALTER WALKER AND J. ALLEN HYNEK CENTER FOR UFO STUDIES

theory, lift and propulsion can be created by imparting airframes with an electric charge that matches, and therefore repels, the surrounding air. Such an aircraft would require enormous amounts of electric power, and the Air Force seemed to know how to create it. Other declassified documents reveal the Air Force had built compact nuclear reactors small enough to fly on an aircraft. It had also experimented with a device known as a magnetohydrodynamic generator (MHD) to extract large amounts of electricity from a fast-moving stream of molten metal. Engineers familiar with such systems say that if MHD units were to become unstable, some of the metal circulating in the unit would have to be ejected.

UFO investigators sent a portion of the Ubatuba material to the Air Force for analysis. It was ‘accidentally’ destroyed before tests could be completed.

[Quix]

AGREED.

It boggles my mind, too, at the numbers of Spirit-Filled authentic believers who have that response.

God have mercy!

The 10 Virgins parable also comes to mind.

I think the Vatican’s playing footsie with the NWO and the UFO critter stuff is very seriously sobering.

I am quite concerned at the numbers of RC’s who could so easily be led astray . . .

particularly if another “MARY” type UFO critter is proffered AS MARY with all manner of UFO technology ‘miracle’ sound and light shows . . .

God have mercy.

[mysterio]

on March 19, 1992. Delgado noticed a rapidly descending green light in his rearview mirror as he drove down a street alongside a citrus grove. The light seemed to keep pace with his cruiser, until he slowed down.

Why did the craft need a big green spotlight? We're unadvanced humans, and even we don't put big flashy lights on our military reconnaissance equipment because we have night vision. Maybe we should loan night vision to the aliens so they can reverse engineer it for themselves and thus be a little more sneaky.

[Quix]

1. You seem to have a thing about the lights.
2. The ‘thing’ seems to be your ‘thing.’ THEY don’t seem to have a problem about the lights.

3. Sometimes they use lights very dramatically.
4. Sometimes they seem to use lights very aggressively.

5. Sometimes they seem to avoid all lights and become invisible.
6. Sometimes they seem to use lights either playfully or deceptively seeming to be playful.

7. You seem to persistently ASSUME—taking a rather omniscient stance—that YOU have considered 100% of ALL possibilities and concluded that the reported stuff about the lights is all horse biscuits.
8. I’m sure the “ET’s,” WHATEVER they are—are GREATLY IMPRESSED AND AWED by your psychological understanding of

A) THEIR psychology;
B) THEIR goals;
C) THEIR methods;
D) THEIR priorities;
E) THEIR technical aspects, factors;
F) THEIR tastes;
G) THEIR preferences for whatever reasons;
H) THEIR policies about lights in a myriad of DIFFERENT CONTEXTS on a MYRIAD of DIFFERENT TYPES of missions;
. . .

Perhaps they’ll nominate you for their equivalent of a Nobel Prize for guessing all their psychology and all the above so accurately to the nth degree.

On the other hand, with different fingers . . . you just MAY be so smugly full of yourself that you really haven’t a clue about any of the above but have enjoyed getting your exercise by jumping to the conclusion that you have it all figured out.

Personally, I find your seeming conclusions about their lights to be exceedingly myopic and silly.

[Leo Farnsworth]

Quix,
I don't think you understand.

I want YOU to stop pinging me.

Las Vegas Dave can ping me all he wants.

Your pings are unwelcome. Please stop them.

LV Dave - Please keep me on the list- just inoculate me from Quix.

Thank you.

Leo

[mysterio]

I don’t believe flying objects with aviation lights on them are aliens. It just makes no logical sense that they wouldn’t have night vision or some equivalent. If they wanted to screw with us, they would fly up to some building during the daytime and let some sane person take a clear picture of their craft. Now that would be a good prank.

[Quix]

Perhaps we have a disconnect.

I’m the originator of the ping list.

Essentially, it is my ping list.

Dave helps me with backup—when I’m ill; my computer is down or whatever.

Now, personally, I don’t have any real problem—to the degree it’s workable—with avoiding pinging you. I have removed you from my copy of the list—i.e. Joya’s backup copy as my computer is down. I have not pinged you since you asked me, to the best of my knowledge.

I know I’m NOT one size fits all. That’s OK.

Therefore what . . . I will CONTINUE TO DO MY BEST TO INSURE THAT YOU ARE OFF my copy of my UFO ping list. And I certainly don’t anticipate manually filling you in for any posts—will certainly do all I consciously can to avoid that.

Beyond that . . . I don’t know what I can do.

And, I’m sorry to put you off by whatever.

I just have to manage things according to the press in my spirit, not according to your sensibilities.

[Quix]

ASSUMING

THEY

HAVE YOUR PSYCHOLOGY AND SENSITIVITIES AND PRIORITIES

seems to me, to be the height of ASSUMPTION, if not arrogance.