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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Reaction Thread - SPOILERS!!!!
me | 7/21/2007 | me

Posted on 07/21/2007 5:18:11 PM PDT by JenB

So you finally know what happens to Harry. All our questions are answered. Or not. What are your reactions? Whose death hurt the most? Do you want more, and about whom?

SPOILERS are ok on this thread! You have been warned!

Wow. It's over.


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To: Sloth
I don't see the goblins at Gringotts as innocent. They knew perfectly well that Bellatrix was a Death Eater and acting in the service of Voldemort. They are about as innocent as the Swiss bankers that did business with the Third Reich.

If an Allied pilot had flown over Switzerland and bombed some of the banks there, do you think a courts martial would have accepted such a justification?

Most Swiss bankers were innocent. True, they were no doubt aware that some of the money they handled was dirty, but most car dealers today are no less aware that some of the cars they sell will be used by dangerously drunk drivers. Does that mean they are complicit in homicide?

Besides, there may have been other ways to deal with the horcrux. A horcrux which is sitting in a bank vault where nobody can get to it won't do very much if nobody can access it. If Beatrix Lestrange and Voldemort were killed while the cup was still at Gringotts, it should have been possible for the Ministry to destroy it afterward I would think.

801 posted on 07/23/2007 8:23:03 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Accygirl
Aka most children have no imaginations and couldn’t think of a satisfactory conclusion themselves.

To heck with the kids; I wanted to know! ;o) I could imagine lots of different endings for folks, but it was JKR's book. I wanted to see how SHE finished their stories.

802 posted on 07/23/2007 8:23:22 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Accygirl
i>Deathly Hallows would have been a classic if Rowlings was allowed to continue on with the book she wanted to write.. (i.e. the one where Harry dies).

How do you know that JKR wanted Harry to die, and STAY dead? Maybe she envisioned this ending all along.

803 posted on 07/23/2007 8:25:29 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Accygirl
Or perhaps it’s because I’m too dumb to understand the beauty of the fanfiction Epilogue.

Hmm...I get the feeling you're a frustrated fanfic writer.

Now I understand your previous posts.

804 posted on 07/23/2007 8:26:01 PM PDT by andyssister (It's finally here!)
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To: Ramius; Accygirl; JenB; Corin Stormhands
"If I should die before I wake"?? What sort of message is that for children? :-)

Or like the children's song "Ring around the rosie, a pocket full of posies". It was sung as a reminder of carrying flowers around to mask the stench of the dead and dying during the plague. "Ashes, Ashes, we all fall down", recalls the burning of the bodies of the plague victims. Kids nowadays may not know that, but the kids who started singing it THEN knew it.

805 posted on 07/23/2007 8:32:12 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: discostu
Modern tragedies are really “existentialist” writings (or seek to be existentialist writings). The fact that modern audiences cannot differentiate between a tragedy and existensialism is sad, but speaks to the state of high school literature in the country... Classic existentialist writings do “work” if you subscribe to a certain part of that philosophy (which most people don’t), and even certain Existential authors (despite their views) are considered classic writings. I loved Hemingway, Dostoevsky, and the Latin American magical realists in high school (and I’d say that most subscribe to a existentialist view of the world)....

I do agree with you that Harry’s death wouldn’t be meaningless... However, it would be because it was existentialism. For most of the novel, Harry’s journey represented the classic “hero’s tale” (ala Joseph Campbell). It isn’t uncommon for the hero at the end of such a classic tale to suffer a real or metaphorical death. I wouldn’t consider The Lord of the Rings to be existential in any way, but at the end of it, Frodo suffered a metaphorical death because he had to carry the ring. The ending was definitely not a happy one... I think that Harry Potter could have naturally ended the same way with Harry’s death. Instead the commercialism surrounding the series cause Rowlings to end the book with a chapter that any hardcore teenage Harry Potter fan could have written...

806 posted on 07/23/2007 8:32:54 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl
Why do you insiston mispelling the author's name?
807 posted on 07/23/2007 8:36:02 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear (Loot it while it lasts)
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To: andyssister

I’ve never written a fanfiction scenario in my life... I was too busy studying high school and having fun in college to bother. (I however am not a big fan of teenagers, especially those going through puberty. I would have preferred if all teens, including myself at that age... I was a little brat, were frozen until they turned about nineteen/ twenty).


808 posted on 07/23/2007 8:37:51 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I didn’t know it was misspelled (perhaps it had something to do with the newspapers calling her Rowlings...). Now that I know it is misspelled I will keep doing so because we’re apparently at a point where we’ve abandoned substantiative arguments.
809 posted on 07/23/2007 8:41:36 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: SuziQ
It seemed quite obvious that she was going to end with Harry’s death for most of the series and most of Book 7 (the symbolism was definitely not subtle). The Forest Again was a beautiful chapter and seemed very natural...

However, I guess that your right. Rowlings could have wanted this ending. But I don’t think that speaks highly of her as an author then. Instead of challenging her audience, she pandered to them on the lowest common denominator and gave them exactly the Disney teen ending they wanted.

810 posted on 07/23/2007 8:45:45 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl
You have been told numerous times on this thread that you were mis-spelling her name. You claim to have read the books, so all you had to do was look at the cover of one to see the correct spelling.

The fact that you say you're going to keep mis-spelling it now, after you know the correct spelling, indicates to me you're just doing it to annoy people on the thread. That makes you no better than a thread troll. In fact, that hints that every post you've made on the thread has just been one big troll.

Congratulations. I should have caught on sooner, but you masked it well.

811 posted on 07/23/2007 8:46:06 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear (Loot it while it lasts)
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To: andyssister
Or perhaps it’s because I’m too dumb to understand the beauty of the fanfiction Epilogue.

Hmm...I get the feeling you're a frustrated fanfic writer.

Ms. Rowling stated, years ago, that she'd already written the last chapter of book 7. I would guess that the last chapter of HP&tDH, as published, is pretty close to what Ms. Rowling wrote many years ago. As such, it ignores characters who were invented before it was written and does not very well fit the rest of HP&tDH. A skilled fanfic writer who had the benefit of reading book 7 before writing the ending could probably have produced something that would have fit better. Of course, if Ms. Rowling had the benefit of writing book 7 before writing her ending she might have been able to do better still.

BTW, I thought Ms. Rowling had said that Harry Potter was supposed to marry Lisa Simpson.

812 posted on 07/23/2007 8:47:22 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear

Well spotted.


813 posted on 07/23/2007 8:49:11 PM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
That makes you no better than a thread troll. In fact, that hints that every post you've made on the thread has just been one big troll.

Dang. Yer good.

814 posted on 07/23/2007 8:51:13 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Accygirl
I would have preferred if all teens, including myself at that age... I was a little brat, were frozen until they turned about nineteen/ twenty).

I love teenagers. They're thoughtful, and natuaraly rebellious. They question authority, and well they should!!

If Harry didn't question authority, were would the wizarding world be now??

815 posted on 07/23/2007 9:00:15 PM PDT by andyssister (It's finally here!)
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To: Accygirl

My 8 year old is halfway through Deathly Hallows.

She’s handling it fine, just like she handled Goblet of fire when she was in first grade.

Go ahead and call me names, but she’s been reading real books since she was four, and was reading Magic School bus books before she entered kindergarten. I think whether she can handle it is MY decision, not a stranger’s.


816 posted on 07/23/2007 9:05:10 PM PDT by Politicalmom (A sovereign nation loses that status if it cannot secure its own borders.-Fred Thompson)
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To: Corin Stormhands
“Well, somewhere along the line, she failed to teach you the meaning of sarcasm. “

Someone on this site understands sarcasm??? That’s a shocker.

“Surely not all children are as special as you.”

When I was in school, I remember taking a field trip when I was in eighth grade with the school to see Schindler’s List. Considering that schools are willing to teach about some pretty tough subjects to middle schoolers (as is warranted) and to introduce these subjects in intermediate school, I don’t think that Harry’s death is that bad.

I do agree with you that the book should not be given to a second grader as second graders cannot yet differentiate between reality and fantasy. However, I’d expect a fifth grader to do so.. Heck compared to some scenes in the book, Harry’s “death” scene was tame.

“Look, you continue to miss my point. I don’t know if you’re just that obtuse or if you’re just stubborn. I really don’t care. I’m tired of arguing with you.”

No I just agree with the fact that everything must be sanitized because children who shouldn’t might get ahold of the book... It’s not Rowlings duty to police bad parents.

“I really think you’re not reading what I’m saying, or what anyone else is saying for that matter. If you were, you’d have realized way up thread that the author’s name is J.K. Rowling, not Rowlings as you have typed repeatedly. “

Perhaps, you might want to blame all the newspapers, etc. that have called her Rowlings... No??

817 posted on 07/23/2007 9:07:32 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: supercat

Voldemort COULDN’T be killed until the cup was destroyed.

That’s the entire thrust of the book: Destroy the horcruxes so that Voldemort can be destroyed.


818 posted on 07/23/2007 9:11:55 PM PDT by Politicalmom (A sovereign nation loses that status if it cannot secure its own borders.-Fred Thompson)
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To: JenB
Does it seem like, for an incredibly overbearing government agency, the Ministry of Magic shows remarkably little interest in investigating magical deaths?

Well, it just may be a case of them happening so often, that the Ministry simply doesn't bother to investigate too deeply. Harry or any of the other kids could have died dozens of times just doing the "normal" everyday stuff that went on at Hogwart's.

Plus, it's natural for a bureaucracy to follow the path of least resistance. If the nearest surviving relative says Cousin Theodosius died horribly while testing a new potion he'd just mixed up, the Ministry bureaucrat is likely to just accept it rather than start checking for foul play. To do so makes his job much easier!

819 posted on 07/23/2007 9:12:18 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear (Loot it while it lasts)
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To: Accygirl

You really know how to suck all the fun out of a room.


820 posted on 07/23/2007 9:13:29 PM PDT by Politicalmom (A sovereign nation loses that status if it cannot secure its own borders.-Fred Thompson)
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