The Papacy and Islam

Bearean Beacon ^ | Richard Bennett and Robert J. Nicholson

[Gamecock]

Right out of the Catholic Catechism!

[Pyro7480]

If Evangelicals to continue to fraternize with Rome, it will mark a major, irrevocable betrayal of the Gospel testimony toward the poor deluded adherents of Romanism and leave them languishing in the claws of the devil.

BARF ALERT!

[Pyro7480]

. To quote a Catholic news organization, “Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed

No citation, how typical.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Great article, GC.

This spin on Islam is perfectly in line with what Pope and the Vatican declared, "together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." It looks as if the Pope, the politicians, and the Muslims continue to conceal successfully the history of Mohammed and the contents of his Qur'an.

[Gamecock]

Is the Allah the same deity as the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob?

Is Jesus Allah?

[Pyro7480]

Is the Allah the same deity as the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob?

Nope, I'm a Catholic, and I don't believe that. Though that comes from the Catechism, it comes from a document that was issued by a pastoral council, not a doctoral one. I am free to disagree with that. In fact, in can be argued that the Jews don't worship the same God as Christians, since they don't believe in the Trinity.

[adiaireton8]

In fact, in can be argued that the Jews don't worship the same God as Christians, since they don't believe in the Trinity.

I'd like to see how such an argument avoided Marcionism.

-A8

[Alex Murphy]

No citation, how typical.

The Catholic news organization quoted was Zenit. I'm pretty sure you've heard of them.

The link provided will take you to the original. Here's the article in full that is found at the link - note the headline:

ISLAM CO-OPTING FATIMA
Iranian TV: Our Lady of Fatima is Really Fatima, Daughter of the Prophet Mohammed

VATICAN CITY, MAY 13 (ZENIT) - On October 23, 1995, Iranian television began running stories that the apparitions in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 were religious phenomena of Muslim origin.

Growing Muslim interest in the holy site is sparked by the Portuguese town's name: Fatima, which is Arabic. Portugal and Spain were both once under Islamic rule, and are the only such countries to ever break free from such a government.

According to historical accounts, in 1156 a battle was fought between Christian and Muslim forces in the locality. A Christian knight saved a young girl named Fatma (Fatima) from the dangers of the pitched battle. Later she converted to Christianity and married the knight, only to die shortly afterwards. In grief, the knight became a monk and the town was renamed Fatima in her honor.

According to Iranian Television, the woman who appeared to the three shepherd children in 1917 was not the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, but Fatima, the daughter of the prophet Mohammed, founder of Islam. Her message was reported to be "I am Fatima, daughter of the Prophet of Islam." This television report has helped launch the growing waves of Muslim pilgrims who have been visiting this Christian site in Portugal in recent years.

Catholics, on the other hand, say that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to the three shepherd children. She told them to pray, especially encouraging the prayer of the Rosary. Lucía, the only surviving recipient of the vision, was entrusted with three "secrets," of which the third has never been made public. She recently assured that the third secret was never intended for general proclamation. Pope John Paul II has had a strong devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, especially since the failed assassination attempt of Ali Agca, which occurred precisely on May 13, 1991, the anniversary of the first vision at Fatima (May 13, 1917). ZA980513-3

[P-Marlowe]

The Roman Catholic Church officially declares that the One God of Holy Scripture is also the God of Islam.

Can't wait to see the Pope scream Allāhu Akbar!

Apparently Allah, who has no son, is the same God the Catholics believe in.

[Theoden]

This article is so full of flaws, misrepresentations of fact and outright fallacies that it looks like it was written by a retarded schizophrenic on crack.

Posting trash like this shows the world what kind of “Christianity” you and your ilk represent. Keep up the good work, it’s better for our cause than any apologetics material that we could muster!

[Pyro7480]

Yeah, but the article seems to imply that the Catholic news organization was saying that, not Iranian TV.

[Pyro7480]

Rome now accepts Islam as having the same faith of Abraham as herself. How can the Roman Catholic Church espouse a religion that utterly rejects the Trinity, the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ and His Gospel? ...the present Roman Pontiff, John Paul II, has proclaimed Muslims to be acceptable as believers...

Let's go back to the original statement from the Catechism.

profess to hold the faith of Abraham

"Professing" and actually having the same faith Abraham are two different things. They can profess all you want, but in reality, they don't have it.

[Gamecock]

So the late Pope and the Catholicism are both wrong!?!

[Pyro7480]

That’s not why I’m saying. Marcionism was dualist, and tried to disconnect Christianity from its Hebrew routes. I’m not trying to do that.

[Gamecock]

We’re not talking about the Jews.

We are talking about Rome/Islam love fest. Please stop trying to change the subject.

[Pyro7480]

So the late Pope and the Catholicism are both wrong!?!

LOL! That's the wrong conclusion to draw, and it shows your own misunderstanding of Catholicism.

[adiaireton8]

If you think that an argument can be constructed showing that Christians and Jews do not worship God, I would like to see how such an argument avoids the principle error of Marcionism, which was precisely the claim that Christian and Jews did not worship the same God.

-A8

[adiaireton8]

“worship the [*same*] God”

[Little Ray]

There is one God and he ain’t Allah...