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Bush: happy for Cheney's gay daughter pregnancy
Reuters ^ | 12/15/06

Posted on 12/16/2006 11:22:33 AM PST by Blackirish

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney's pregnant lesbian daughter Mary will make a "fine mom," President George W. Bush said, sidestepping his past comment that a child ideally would be raised by a mother and father.

Mary Cheney, 37, and her longtime partner, Heather Poe, are expecting their first child, which would be the sixth grandchild for the vice president. Cheney was hired last year as an executive for America Online.

"I think Mary is going to be a loving soul to her child. And I'm happy for her," Bush said in an interview with People magazine.


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KEYWORDS: barfalert; busybodies; familyvalues; fantasy; fatherlesschild; fertilty; fetish; homosexual; liberalism; liberals; makingnice; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; perverts; purists
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL, good comeback, if I were in 5th grade.

Thanks for all the enjoyment EV, I haven't laughed this much in a while.

I gotta prepare for a week of work now, and its time for you to peek into your neighbors bedroom, have you got your bullet Barney?

LOL


701 posted on 12/17/2006 9:03:06 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Sunsong

Wrong. Folks like you just think you have the right to do wrong, because you fail to reverence God, or acknowledge His ultimate sovereignty.


702 posted on 12/17/2006 9:03:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I gotta prepare for a week of work now, and its time for you to peek into your neighbors bedroom, have you got your bullet Barney?

I have no idea what you mean by that, but whatever, you're the bedroom expert around here.

703 posted on 12/17/2006 9:05:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Evidently satire is lost on you, much like logic.


704 posted on 12/17/2006 9:06:49 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

When your "satire" is loaded with lying malice, it really isn't funny.


705 posted on 12/17/2006 9:09:16 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Wrong. Folks like you just think you have the right to do wrong, because you fail to reverence God, or acknowledge His ultimate sovereignty.

This is similar to what we talked about before. People have the *right* to do whatever they want - as long as they don't consciously harm others or infringe on others' rights.

And God has given us the *right* to choose. It is obvious that He has - because we DO choose. And we all sin. If we did NOT have the *right* to - we would NOT be able to. It is obvious. We have the *right* to live our lives the way *we* choose. Even if others do not agree.

This is the thing that the Islamists cannot understand either. They also believe that no one has the *right* to choose. And they WILL kill you if you make your own choices.

706 posted on 12/17/2006 9:11:48 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Guess what?

The government HAS NO RIGHT to legislate what goes on in the bedrooms.

Sorry. I know it's not authoritarian enough for you.

I'm not a libertarian, although personal liberty is and should be one of our most basic rights.

The Genie is out of the bottle whether you like it or not.
707 posted on 12/17/2006 9:18:55 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Go Bucks!!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah and if I asked him a question, he would probably answer it in a forthright AND HONEST way.

Unlike present company.


708 posted on 12/17/2006 9:19:44 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Go Bucks!!!!)
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To: Sunsong

You have the ACLU's vision of what liberty is.

The Bill of Rights, to them, includes the *right* to abort babies, euthanize the elderly and infirm, publish and propagate porn, make merchandise of women's bodies, erase the borders, fill our young people's bodies with drugs, keep felons free to spread mayhem, theft of the people's substance through every conceivable means of taxation, etc...but never can it be read to include the right to religious speech or even thought, political speech or activism that doesn't agree with their marxist agenda, self-protection, property rights, or the right to life.

Arguing with them is exactly like arguing with you and your friends...largely a fruitless exercise. Which is why I equate you with them. There is no discernable difference.


709 posted on 12/17/2006 9:32:30 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: MikefromOhio
The government HAS NO RIGHT to legislate what goes on in the bedrooms.

Does a sovereign American citizen have the right to be disgusted by homosexuality? Does he have the right to protect his children from being taught that the homosexual lifestyle is a positive good? Does he have the right to, through the legislative process, enforce the idea that marriage is to be solely between one man and one woman?

710 posted on 12/17/2006 9:37:00 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Does a sovereign American citizen have the right to be disgusted by homosexuality?

Have I said they do NOT? That's in your imagination if you think I did. Acting dense and attempting to put words in my mouth won't get you anywhere EV. And by the way, you still haven't bothered to answer my question.

Does he have the right to protect his children from being taught that the homosexual lifestyle is a positive good?

See previous answer about me having NOT said anything about that and about you trying to put words into my mouth. And while you are at it, remember that you still haven't answered my question.

Does he have the right to, through the legislative process, enforce the idea that marriage is to be solely between one man and one woman?

See previous answer about me having NOT said anything about that and about you trying to put words into my mouth. And while you are at it, remember that you still haven't answered my question.

Meanwhile, you seem to WANT to keep Homosexuals from having the right to do whatever they wish within the public. Short of having sex or breaking the laws, they have the very same freedom of speech rights that you or I have. You seem to not want to say it though.
711 posted on 12/17/2006 9:46:11 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Go Bucks!!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Well you haven't really said much of any substance here. All you've done is try to link us to liberals or the ACLU or whoever you don't like.

I think we're getting to the heart of something here, though. It seems that you believe a *right* can only be something that you agree with. Is that correct? In other words - you would, on some level, agree with the Islamists - that people do NOT have the right to do things that they believe are sinful? The Islamists believe, like you, that there is no *right* to sin - and those who do - should be stonned or whipped or killed etc.

In America - we are free to do whatever we choose - as long as we don't break the law or infringe on someone else's *rights*. What that means is that people are *free* to do things that you believe are wrong.

It has been that way for a very long time, EV, a very long time. Right now - women do have the *right * to abort. It IS legal. And people have the *right* to engage in sodomy or adultery or to fornicate, to do drugs, to look at dirty pictures, to masturbate or to lie - to cheat - to do all kinds of things. There is no question but that they have the *right* to.

It seems to me that you have brought this out into the open now - and I thank you for that. It seems to me that you are saying that people do NOT have the *right* to be a non Christian? Isn't that what you are saying here? I think I finally understand how the extreme right gets the sense of *entitlement* that I see - to attempt to *force* their views on the rest of us. You really do believe that people have no *rights* except those based on your personal beliefs about what is right and wrong? That's what you are really saying isn't it?

Do you see how similar it is to Islamism?

712 posted on 12/17/2006 9:49:53 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong

Maam, you are seriously stretching.


713 posted on 12/17/2006 9:53:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Does a sovereign American citizen have the right to be disgusted by homosexuality?

Yes, and another American has the *right* to be disgusted by your disgust.

We are free people. We have the *right* to choose our own belief systems. And we have the *right* to act based on our own belief systems - as long as we do not break the law or conscioualy harm others or infringe on others' *rights*.

714 posted on 12/17/2006 9:54:07 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: EternalVigilance
I was afraid you would respond like that. Take some time and think about it. There is plenty of time to discuss this.

Are you not saying that free people only have the *right* to do what you believe they should? What you believe they Bible says the should? Is that not exactly what you are saying?

715 posted on 12/17/2006 9:56:40 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: MikefromOhio

It's funny, you whining about me putting words in your mouth, which I didn't do, but which you and your friends have been trying to do to me for hours.

I simply asked you simple questions...questions designed to illustrate the fact that conservatives are simply exercising their freedom to stand up for what has always been considered right in America.


716 posted on 12/17/2006 9:57:30 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Sunsong
And we have the *right* to act based on our own belief systems - as long as we do not break the law or conscioualy harm others or infringe on others' *rights*.

You see, that's where you're missing it. It is the radical homosexual activists who are trying to impose their immorality on everyone. That's why there's even a controversy.

717 posted on 12/17/2006 9:59:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Sunsong
Are you not saying that free people only have the *right* to do what you believe they should? What you believe they Bible says the should? Is that not exactly what you are saying?

Uhmm...no. Those are your words, not mine.

718 posted on 12/17/2006 10:01:08 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: EternalVigilance
It's funny, you whining about me putting words in your mouth, which I didn't do, but which you and your friends have been trying to do to me for hours.

EV you've said several times that you want to keep Homosexuals out of the public square so take that whiny crybaby woe-is-me crap somewhere else...

I simply asked you simple questions...questions designed to illustrate the fact that conservatives are simply exercising their freedom to stand up for what has always been considered right in America.

And unlike you, I answered them. And I seriously doubt you have the first clue as to what is "right" in America.
719 posted on 12/17/2006 10:09:53 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Go Bucks!!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Here are your exact words:

Wrong. Folks like you just think you have the right to do wrong, because you fail to reverence God, or acknowledge His ultimate sovereignty.

What do those words mean except that you believe people have no *right* to do what you believe is wrong????

You have the ACLU's vision of what liberty is.

The Bill of Rights, to them, includes the *right* to abort babies, euthanize the elderly and infirm, publish and propagate porn, make merchandise of women's bodies, erase the borders, fill our young people's bodies with drugs, keep felons free to spread mayhem, theft of the people's substance through every conceivable means of taxation, etc...but never can it be read to include the right to religious speech or even thought, political speech or activism that doesn't agree with their marxist agenda, self-protection, property rights, or the right to life.

I can only go by your words here. If you misstated your position - then please correct it.

It seems from your words that you believe that there is no *right* to sin? And you define *sin* as being what the Bible says is sin. And so the reasonable conclusion from your words is that you believe that no one has the *right* to act in any way that deviates from your belief system.

And, as I said, the Islamists also believe that. Can you see the similarity?

720 posted on 12/17/2006 10:10:19 PM PST by Sunsong
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