Posted on 07/27/2006 3:00:03 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
Even so, there is nothing Christian about the buckle, and it bears the swastika, which is a pagan symbol.
And there's nothing Christian about "Gott mit uns"? A reference to Odin, perhaps?
Seventy two mothers-in-law.
As long as the building blocks were similar it would do no such thing. IOW if "nature" is able to produce what science is able to investigate apart from intelligence or design, there is nothing to prevent nature from producing a dandelion with legs. Ever heard of a walking stick?
I don't know -- lets ask him. Last time I looked a network engineer doesn't need an engineering degree. I should know -- I have been Operations Director for a very large mainframe shop, which included Systems, LAN, Telecommunications, Applications and Machine Ops.
ps: It is rude to speak of someone, even if defending them, without pinging them.
A walking stick is an insect, not a plant/animal hybrid.
Yes, I know of the hundreds of hospitals and schools founded here by Buddhists. I know that Buddhist charities gave millions to help the victims of Katrina. /sarc
I do know that Christian charities mobilized millions in aid to the tsunami victims in Indonesia, most of whom are not Christians.
So my question stands: Does this apply only to the founding of colleges, or to anything a church-goer might do?
Shall we save some time here and stipulate that you want to claim all good resulting from any Christian association whatever and disavow all ill effects?
But somehow, the logic doesn't seem to work the other way. Whose post 737 to this thread contained this quote? "The association between evolution and totalitarian socialism can't be denied, and you make no attempt to deny it."
The association between christianity and Jim Jones can't be denied.
The association between christianity and the Salem witch trials can't be denied.
Et cetera.
There is a certain charm to the Dark Ages. Mystery, superstition and all that. And who cannot commend the scientifically brilliant idea that, because certain things look alike, they must be related? To have a billion year fairly tale to create and recreate as many times as one wishes, be honored as "scientists," and enjoy exclusive government support by law: who wouldn't want that?
Its not particularly germaine to the discussion at hand. I agree with you and there are those who are looking for The Unified Theory Of Everything.
Trying to find scientific alternatives to current theories helps keep dogma minimized (a fate predicted by Asimov). ID is not one of those pursuits.
Despite the insult to all walking sticks who go by that name and are generally honored as such by the common man (you know, the hybrid name) I don't suppose design has anything to do with it. Is there something about the walking stick that says to you it cannot be a product of intelligent design? If so, what is it? If not, then why is it inherently unscientific to suggest it might be?
The latter. The experiment was based on a closed system, with water evaporating into a reducing atmosphere, being esposed to electrical discharges, and then condensing, and then going through the cycle again. This produced a variety of organic compounds, including amino acids.
It is possible that such an atmosphere was not present on Earth, which would invalidate one of the premises of the hypothesis. That organic compounds were created at all is astounding, but if the earth did not have a reducing atmosphere it wouldn't translate into a means of creating life on earth abiotically. AFAIK, the composition of the atmosphere back then hasn't been conclusively quantified, btw.
So how does intelligent design work? It begins with thoughts.
Got any evidence of that? Any way of gathering evidence of that? ie: thought + supreme being = intelligent design.
What kind of evidence do I have to provide in order to assure the scientific world that thoughts are integral to intelligent design?
Any evidence that can be verified, and a method of gathering such evidence that can be replicated.
It often, yet not always, ends with a combination of matter that performs specific functions.
Any evidence of that would also be required.
Is it somehow mysterious, superstitious, or unscientific to suggest the building blocks of the particle world - consistently cause and effect related as they are - might entail a designer?
Without any evidence whatsoever, superstition and mythology is all ID has. And, yes, that is unscientific.
What kind of evidence are you demanding here?
It's your theory. What evidence do you have? None. That's the problem. What mechanisms are there to gather any evidence? None. That's another problem. Is there any way to falsify the "theory"? Nope.
LOL Appearance as they say can be deceiving... Here I keep getting told that evolution is a theory NOT a fact.
Well excuse me. How ignorant of me.
How is it "rude" to defend the poor guy, when he's been demeaned as a mere "tradesman" while he's away can't defend himself?
Did you tell the person who used that canard he was "rude?" That was just another of the torrent of supericilious, arrogant abuse the evoid crowd heaps on anyone who challenges them. You don't really give a bleep about Ignatz' feelings vs. my alleged "rudeness." You just want to score points.
And of course, evoids are hardly the ones to give lectures on "rudeness."
Please provide your working definition of what the word Theory means to you.
"Gott Mit Uns" is not a statement on cold weather apparel. It means "God Is With Us"
How does gravity work?
I knew it. You were working toward a trap, making a setup. Sorry to frustrate you. You can't dispute that Christians established hundreds of hospitals and schools, so you go back centuries and dredge up irrelevancies.
Jim Jones was not any kind of orthodox Christian. He was a typical cult leader, with a cult of personality centered around himself (not God or Jesus), enslavement of believers, etc.
"Shall we save some time here and stipulate that you want to claim all good resulting from any Christian association whatever and disavow all ill effects?"
I'm going to save my time and not fall into your trap. Sorry to disappoint you.
You anti-religious zealots always want to put your words into the mouths of others. Nice try.
From an NSF abstract:
As with all scientific knowledge, a theory can be refined or even replaced by an alternative theory in light of new and compelling evidence. The geocentric theory that the sun revolves around the earth was replaced by the heliocentric theory of the earth's rotation on its axis and revolution around the sun. However, ideas are not referred to as "theories" in science unless they are supported by bodies of evidence that make their subsequent abandonment very unlikely. When a theory is supported by as much evidence as evolution, it is held with a very high degree of confidence.In science, the word "hypothesis" conveys the tentativeness inherent in the common use of the word "theory.' A hypothesis is a testable statement about the natural world. Through experiment and observation, hypotheses can be supported or rejected. At the earliest level of understanding, hypotheses can be used to construct more complex inferences and explanations. Like "theory," the word "fact" has a different meaning in science than it does in common usage. A scientific fact is an observation that has been confirmed over and over. However, observations are gathered by our senses, which can never be trusted entirely. Observations also can change with better technologies or with better ways of looking at data. For example, it was held as a scientific fact for many years that human cells have 24 pairs of chromosomes, until improved techniques of microscopy revealed that they actually have 23. Ironically, facts in science often are more susceptible to change than theories, which is one reason why the word "fact" is not much used in science.
Finally, "laws" in science are typically descriptions of how the physical world behaves under certain circumstances. For example, the laws of motion describe how objects move when subjected to certain forces. These laws can be very useful in supporting hypotheses and theories, but like all elements of science they can be altered with new information and observations.
Those who oppose the teaching of evolution often say that evolution should be taught as a "theory, not as a fact." This statement confuses the common use of these words with the scientific use. In science, theories do not turn into facts through the accumulation of evidence. Rather, theories are the end points of science. They are understandings that develop from extensive observation, experimentation, and creative reflection. They incorporate a large body of scientific facts, laws, tested hypotheses, and logical inferences. In this sense, evolution is one of the strongest and most useful scientific theories we have.
Modified from RadioAstronomers's post #27 on another thread.
Best reason I ever heard to want to be a Navajo.
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