Coulter vs Darwin

Godless | 06/06 | Ann Coulter

[tomzz]

You can't help but notice that there is a very vocal sort of a little clique of evolutionists on FreeRepublic, and there has always been a question in a lot of people's minds as to whether or not the theory of evolution is in any way compatible with conservatism.

This new book ("Godless") of Ann Coulter's should pretty much settle the issue.

Ann does not mince words, and she has quite a lot to say about evolution:

"Liberals' creation myth is Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, which is about one notch above scientology in scientific rigor. It's a make-believe story, based on a theory which is a tautology, with no proof in the scientists laboratory or the fossil record, and that's after 150 years of very determined looking. We wouldn't still be talking about it but for the fact that liberals think evolution disproves God....

It gets better from there, in fact a lot better. Ann provides a context for viewing the liberal efforts to shut down everything resembling debate on the subject in courtrooms and makes a general case that it is the left and not the right, which is antithetical to science in general. Anybody interested in this question of American society and the so-called theory of evolution should have a copy of this book

[Almagest]

<< We'd love to hear your perspective on creationists' obsessive need to believe everything in the bible literally >>


This is not exactly on-point with your question, but maybe they will help you understand some of the motivation:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1640351/posts?page=206#206


I am not really posting this to start an argument. I am just trying to respond to Nilla here. If others disagree -- that's fine. I'm just telling of my experience and my impressions from my time as a YEC. YMMV.

[Dimensio]

So then Creationists are terrorists, killers and kooks?

The above labels do accurately apply to some creationists. I do not suggest that all or even the majority of creationists are "terrorists, killers and kooks". Such a statement would be as presumptious and demonstratably false as a claim that all who accept evolution are liberals, atheists and racists.

[1000 silverlings]

You must have worshipped a very strange little god, lol.

[Dimensio]

Your attempt at obfuscation does not change the fact that you misrepresented what researchers have found. I do not understand what motivates you to engage in such clear and obvious attempts at deception. If you believe that your arguments are strengthened by making demonstratably false claims that are easily exposed, then you should be aware that you are mistaken.

[1000 silverlings]

Any Christians who are terrorists, etc. don't understand Christianity. Offhand I think of white supremacists, people who shoot abortion doctors. However, I doubt if any of us know these kinds of peopleand if we did, we would call the police.Christians are called to be law abiding and to believe God when he said, Thou shalt not kill. Most Creationists read the bible and believe God's revelation. If you want to condemn them for that I don't know why.

[taxesareforever]

So then Creationists are terrorists, killers and kooks? The above labels do accurately apply to some creationists

Please name names, unless you are lying.

[Almagest]

<< You must have worshipped a very strange little god, lol. >>


I was an evangelical Christian -- sort of on the border of fundamentalism. I was explaining what I experienced and observed among the creationists I knew.

Like I said -- YMMV.

[Almagest]

<< Any Christians who are terrorists, etc. don't understand Christianity. >>


No TRUE Scotsman eats sugar on his oats.

[Dimensio]

Any Christians who are terrorists, etc. don't understand Christianity.

I was not speaking exclusively of Christians. I was speaking of creationists. Not all creationists are Christians.

[1000 silverlings]

You wrote in part:

Then the formerly faithful "warrior for Christ" becomes a "throwaway" -- a "fallen from grace" person with no more hope -- fit for nothing but condemnation. :It's a mindset that is all-encompassing, and they know no other. It takes over every aspect of their thinking. So -- yes -- it can be quite schizophrenic, in its own way. Looking back on my twenty years as a YEC -- It's not about intelligence. It's about fear, and identity, and intentional ignorance. It's almost impossible for them to see any other way to be. Escaping that mindset was -- for me -- like being deprogrammed.

So I think it's reasonable to assume you are writing about your own experiences. You must have believed in works as a way to salvation and not grace alone. You must have felt constantly exhausted!

[1000 silverlings]

Just like there are RINOs there are CINOs.

[taxesareforever]

You will find that the vast majority of Islamic terrorists are creationists.

Please support with facts.

[1000 silverlings]

So why don't you ping HEWhoRides if you are going to talk about him? Who decides who is a kook and who is not a kook?

[taxesareforever]

I guess in your court you can include the likes of Stalin and Lenin. What a pair to link evolutionists with. Really I am not jealous.

[1000 silverlings]

I was an evangelical Christian -- sort of on the border of fundamentalism.

Were you Arminian or Calvinist? Didn't you embrace the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints?

[RunningWolf]

Your statement in no way shows that there is any flaw with the theory of evolution

That is an interstisng proposition, for you Dimensio never actually make a direct-coherent case for evolution to be true 'moreover an established reality' (to borrow your) words, you only attack any suggestions to the otherwise.

Indeed, that is an area you intensely avoid, and only approach by inference and certainly never from a center of honesty. I notice your core doubts Dimensio (as many do) good going Dimensio, there is hope.

You also reveal a limitation in your logic, for 'God is' or rather Yahweh of infinite names. Human limitation of 'God exists' is faulty, for Yahweh is beyond all constructs of anything mortal man can conceptualize.

But how can we expect him to show himself in our being if we will not live according to his wishes? He gives us the free will, and for him to come we must make our souls a Temple that he wants to visit. To put this in perspective, a certain writing says paraphrased 'out of one billion one seeks me, out of that one billion one finds me'

For me, I would rather be caught pummeled and die in truth than win and prosper on a falsehood based on some mortal mans constructs.

Now.., can I or anyone else ever prove to you in your heart of these things? I think you must find it inside yourself. Its an individual journey and I for one am glad for that.

I have faith that he is the only true reality, my soul needs to be the temple he wants to visit. I have this life to clean it up, the sands of time are running out

Wolf

[Almagest]

<< You must have believed in works as a way to salvation and not grace alone. >>


One of the things I love the most in these debates is how many times the creationists try to mind-read me. Your surmise is 180% out of whack. I was a vociferous proponent of grace and a vociferous opponent of adding anything to grace for salvation. I wrote pamphlets and lessons and sent them out, free to all who asked for them -- all over the world.

Don't misunderstand this. I am a nobody from nowhere -- not a well-known person at all. I am just pointing out how far off your mind-reading is. I was in a group self-described as "grace Christians" -- and I was often attacked as an "antinomian" because of my stance on that issue.

But that is all behind me now. I have no interest in those issues anymore. I'll let all you "real Christians [patent pending] sort that stuff out. But if you ever want some good biblical material to help you contend for "grace alone in Christ alone, according to scripture alone, by faith alone" -- just let me know.

Of course -- since I am not a "real Christian" [patent pending] -- anything I said when I thought I WAS one is tainted and worthless. I understand. Really, I do.

[Almagest]

"Just like there are RINOs there are CINOs."


And the same person wrote:


"Who decides who are kooks and who are not kooks?"


Hahahahahahahaha! Don't let consistently get in the way of a good argument -- no sir!

[1000 silverlings]

Are you a Christian? I guess I was thinking you rejected your faith, when you rejected YECism.