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Evolution's bottom line
National Center for Science Education ^ | 12 May 2006 | Staff

Posted on 05/12/2006 12:13:47 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

In his op-ed "Evolution's bottom line," published in The New York Times (May 12, 2006), Holden Thorp emphasizes the practical applications of evolution, writing, "creationism has no commercial application. Evolution does," and citing several specific examples.

In places where evolution education is undermined, he argues, it isn't only students who will be the poorer for it: "Will Mom or Dad Scientist want to live somewhere where their children are less likely to learn evolution?" He concludes, "Where science gets done is where wealth gets created, so places that decide to put stickers on their textbooks or change the definition of science have decided, perhaps unknowingly, not to go to the innovation party of the future. Maybe that's fine for the grownups who'd rather stay home, but it seems like a raw deal for the 14-year-old girl in Topeka who might have gone on to find a cure for resistant infections if only she had been taught evolution in high school."

Thorp is chairman of the chemistry department at the University of North Carolina.


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201 posted on 05/12/2006 1:54:18 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Elpasser
4. sexual reproduction -- who went first?

No problem.


202 posted on 05/12/2006 1:56:36 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Elpasser

"...explain why body hair, etc. came at the cost of bigger brains."

Because humans with less body hair are sexier :)


203 posted on 05/12/2006 1:57:05 PM PDT by cccp_hater (Just the facts please)
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To: MineralMan

Well, you never know what tomorrow will bring.

Have a wonderful weekend!


204 posted on 05/12/2006 1:57:23 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Elpasser
1. the complexity of vision


205 posted on 05/12/2006 1:58:13 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138

I remember a Far Side cartoon about micro-organism porn movies. It showed some bacteria and other tiny organisms sitting on a couch, drinking beer. They were watching a video of cells dividing.


206 posted on 05/12/2006 1:59:24 PM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: mlc9852; Junior
I guess God is a charlatan, too. He just flat-out lied about creation, didn't he?

Don't know, never heard him speak and have never read any of his publications or writings.

207 posted on 05/12/2006 2:01:03 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: mlc9852

Well, just so long everyone knows that Dr. Scott is the director and an atheist. It is always good to understand who you are dealing with and what their agenda might be.

And it's always good to understand when you are dealing with an irrational creationist religionist.

208 posted on 05/12/2006 2:01:08 PM PDT by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: Elpasser

Question number 5 is nonsense. There is no axiomatic definition of fitness. Fitness is simply an after the fact description of the traits leading to reproductive success. Much of animal evolution is driven by traits the girls think are cute.


209 posted on 05/12/2006 2:01:16 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Elpasser

Forgive me for asking, but where did you receive your "rigorous education in organic chemistry and biological science?"


210 posted on 05/12/2006 2:01:21 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw

No doubt ar Patriot University. Either that or the University of Sarasota.


211 posted on 05/12/2006 2:02:37 PM PDT by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry
"Will Mom or Dad Scientist want to live somewhere where their children are less likely to learn evolution?"

I work in industrial R&D in FL. I can speak to experience that it is very difficult to get research scientists with families to move to this state because of the poor reputation, nationally, of the schools here, in particular how well science is taught. We've actually hired people to work here who leave their families up north just because of the school systems. If you don't have a reasonablely strong elementary and high school education in place, you simply have a hard time attracting research organizations and talent to your area.

212 posted on 05/12/2006 2:04:11 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: atlaw
My favorite example of money making using creationism is prospecting for pigeons.

LOL, but I'd have said "gulls"

213 posted on 05/12/2006 2:07:50 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: shuckmaster
Actually, there's good money to be made in deliberately keeping people ignorant about science as the proliferation of charlatan book writers and lying creationist tape sellers and donation collectors demonstrate.

You are quite right. Religious organizations do make quite a bit of money. But innovating new, value added products, doesn't accumulate wealth from others, it creates wealth. Just like was previously said in this thread. Strong sciecne and technology research improves the value of products and can profit from increased margin those products carry. Or they reduce the cost of production, thereby increasing margin.

214 posted on 05/12/2006 2:07:53 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Junior

Depends on your church! Last I checked, God offers eternal life as a free gift.


215 posted on 05/12/2006 2:09:18 PM PDT by conserv371
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To: mlc9852

"I guess God is a charlatan, too. He just flat-out lied about creation, didn't he?"

Twaddle.

You are just too arrogant to admit that maybe you have not interpreted Genesis correctly.


216 posted on 05/12/2006 2:09:33 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: mlc9852

So God just lied when he created all kinds of misleading geological, biological, and physical evidence, to mislead us? What good would God be if he lied to us?


217 posted on 05/12/2006 2:11:21 PM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"Maybe that's fine for the grownups who'd rather stay home, but it seems like a raw deal for the 14-year-old girl in Topeka who might have gone on to find a cure for resistant infections if only she had been taught evolution in high school."

Nothing like hyperbole in an editorial. ;-)

218 posted on 05/12/2006 2:12:55 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: Elpasser

If what you say were truly practiced, evolution would be discarded tomorrow as failing every test of reasoned observation.

'failing every test of reasoned observation'? That's an absolutely ridiculous and ignorant statement.

Did you know that the Discovery Institute, the ID think tank, accepts about 99% of evolutionary theory?

And the last I looked, most anti-evolution creation science web sites accept what they call 'micro-evolution'.

So what are these 'reasoned observations' that all these people, both pro and anti evolution, are missing?

219 posted on 05/12/2006 2:13:02 PM PDT by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: mlc9852
Are serial killers evidence of survival of the fittest?

No.

220 posted on 05/12/2006 2:15:57 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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