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The war between North and South
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| May 9, 2006
| PETER S. CANELLOS
Posted on 05/09/2006 8:33:28 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: usmcobra
Neo Confederate Borrowing your ideas from Morris Dees?
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posted on
05/09/2006 10:34:25 PM PDT
by
Pelham
("Doing the jobs that Americans won't do")
To: usmcobra
Since you don't know me or how I act, you're out of line.
Your words speak for themselves. There's an old Southern term for folks like you, care to guess what it is?
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posted on
05/09/2006 10:37:50 PM PDT
by
swmobuffalo
(The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
To: Pelham
Who is Morris Dees?
and can you answer this logic problem?
Conservatives believe in equality and the rule of law, therefore since Republicans were using The Congress to make laws abolishing slavery and the courts to uphold those laws, wasn't Lincoln's Republican party following conservative ideas.
Leftists believe in that they can overthrow the government to meet their needs without worrying about the needs of others And since The Democrats in the south rose up against the Government of the United States in armed rebellion meant to create a new nation that didn't have to follow the laws of the United States Government and those very same conservative ideas Lincoln had, wasn't the South following in the very message of the Leftists today when they say that if they don't like the results of a federal election they have the right to secede by force as necessary?
Say what you will about Lincoln and the Republican party of 1860, the fact remains that Democrats rose up in revolt against The US Government to continue the slavery of men, women, and children as a "state's right." If that isn't leftism in it's most corrupt form, then what is?
The NAACP was created by Republicans to achieve the goals of recontruction sidelined by the Southern Democrats, and it did so until democrats took over it's leadership.
In 1980's when faced with a shortage of funding and almost totally taken over by democrats, the NAACP decided to start a campaign against all confederate landmarks and symbols as a means to fill their coffers and bring black voters in the south into the democrat ranks to replace those democrat white voters lost to The Reagan Revolution.
My Opinion has always been that the democrats have always been the party of race and that republicans have always been the party of equality.
So show me where I am wrong?
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posted on
05/09/2006 10:56:12 PM PDT
by
usmcobra
(Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
To: swmobuffalo
Your words too speak for themselves, and if yer tryin ta say Ah's a dangyankee, ah's wared borne in Texas an raised in Louisiana, back when a man could fly a rebel flag without gettin a mudhole stomped in his behind.
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posted on
05/09/2006 11:02:50 PM PDT
by
usmcobra
(Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
To: usmcobra
You may be southern born but something happened along the way.
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posted on
05/09/2006 11:09:08 PM PDT
by
swmobuffalo
(The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
To: CurlyBill; swmobuffalo; Pelham
The Democrat party relationship leading up to the 1860 election was tense. Douglas favored union and carried the northern Democrat vote. Bell also called for national unity, and Breckenridge remained noncommittal, preferring to let the events unfold.
Source docs point out many Democrats were pro-union (esp. up North), and the election of Lincoln resulting in secession was not a foregone conclusion, though many state leaders were pulsing the issue.
It's really tough to paint the 1860 Democrats with a broad brush considering they ran 3 candidates with mixed views. The donkeys back then were very different than those of today.
To: swmobuffalo
You may be southern born but something happened along the way.I grew out of the grey uniforms I wore as a child and started to question those things I had been taught in school.
It made me a conservative and a republican.
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posted on
05/10/2006 4:05:33 AM PDT
by
usmcobra
(Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
To: CurlyBill
The Union won the war and was able to write and revise history. The south lost their rebellion, and has been writing and rewriting the myths ever since.
To: Stonewall Jackson
The same thing happened in Kentucky. Actually it did not. The call for a secession convention supported by Governor Magoffin was soundly defeated in the state legislature. When Lincoln issued his call for troops Kentucky took a neutral stance, a condition which was respected by the Lincoln administration until Leonidas Polk invaded the state with confederate troops in September 1861. The secession convention that met in Kentucky was operating under no legal authority whatsoever.
To: stainlessbanner
The Democrat party relationship leading up to the 1860 election was tense. Douglas favored union and carried the northern Democrat vote. Bell also called for national unity, and Breckenridge remained noncommittal, preferring to let the events unfold. Source docs point out many Democrats were pro-union (esp. up North), and the election of Lincoln resulting in secession was not a foregone conclusion, though many state leaders were pulsing the issue.
It's really tough to paint the 1860 Democrats with a broad brush considering they ran 3 candidates with mixed views. The donkeys back then were very different than those of today.
What you are ignoring when you say that secession following Lincoln's election was not a foregone conclusion is History. quod erat demonstrandum
He was elected and the southern democrats unhappy with the results seceded like a bunch of children taking their ball of cotton and running home.
The reason I can paint the Democrats of that era with such a broad brush is a single common denominator, they all were in favor the continuation of slavery by any means where as The republican party was created to end slavery. The Northern democrats just weren't willing to break up the union into a bunch of little nations to do so.
Ultimately when you trim away the fat from the issue of secession, what remains is that Southern Democrats seceded from the United States in order to protect their "right" to keep men, women, and children enslaved as private property before laws ending that "right" could be written.
When defend their right to secede you are defending their right to keep a whole race of people enslaved for the sake of their business profits.
Honestly are you willing to do that, are you willing to defend slavery as a legitimate business practice and can you justify those laws Republicans risked the very union of this country to abolish?
I ask you now because sooner or later we are going to face the same sort of battle when Republicans seek to end the right to murder children in the womb. Another so called "right" the democrats have forced upon this country. Will you decide then that Democrats have the right to secede in order to protect their "right" to kill the unborn?
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posted on
05/10/2006 5:06:33 AM PDT
by
usmcobra
(Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
To: pcottraux
the war against the ARROGANT, SELF-righteous,statist, ANTI-liberty, ignorant, DAMNyankee LEFTISTS/REVISIONISTS continues, by other means than gunfire.
free dixie,sw
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posted on
05/10/2006 7:58:39 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: CurlyBill
the WAR against the DAMNyankee LEFT continues!
free dixie,sw
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posted on
05/10/2006 8:00:00 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: Stonewall Jackson
GOOD FOR HIM!
about a MILLION Black men are eligible to join the Sons of Confederate Veterans AND we SCV folk want them ALL to join.
tell your buddy that our toll-free phone number is : 1-800-MY DIXIE. it costs $ 3.oo a MONTH to join.
free dixie,sw
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posted on
05/10/2006 8:02:43 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: stainlessbanner
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posted on
05/10/2006 8:03:14 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: CurlyBill
FR is "blessed with" a NUMBER of LEFTIST, REVISIONIST, SELF-righteous, ignorant, DAMNyankees, who HATE dixie, our flags,our symbols, our heroes, our memorials to our honored dead, our southewrn culture & the wonderful PEOPLE of dixie.
if they were NOT so busy HATING the southland, they would be some other sort of BIGOT!
free dixie,sw
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posted on
05/10/2006 8:06:32 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: usmcobra
"but it's true" = ONLY in your FEVERED, south-HATING, scalawag dreams.
PITY, that you don't know that you've been LIED TO & made a south-HATING FOOL of, by the south-HATING LEFT out of the northeast.
the "gubmint apruvd pubic screwl sistim" has made FOOLS of MANY in dixie. SADLY, you are NOT alone.
free dixie,sw
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posted on
05/10/2006 8:09:59 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: stand watie
I'm at war against the Democrats that have dishonored the confederate flag for almost 140 years, who are you fighting against?
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posted on
05/10/2006 8:10:47 AM PDT
by
usmcobra
(Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
To: CurlyBill
POOR, POOR, deluded, "usmcobra" is a SCALAWAG, who has swallowed the REVISIONIST/LEFTIST/STATIST bilge out of "the poison ivy league screwls", hook,line & sinker.
he is SO PREDICTABLE & doesn't know that he has been made a FOOL & south-HATING bigot by their KNOWING LIES!
free dixie,sw
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posted on
05/10/2006 8:13:48 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: usmcobra
in other words, you've become a SCALAWAG, i.e. a south-HATER & TURNCOAT to your native state & to the southland. PITY!
free dixie,sw
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posted on
05/10/2006 8:15:16 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: usmcobra
once more, (SIGH!) using the TERM OF ABUSE of "neo-confederate" marks the USER as a blinded, hate-FILLED FOOL & a lunatic.
PITY that you've lost your way, scalawag.
free dixie,sw
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posted on
05/10/2006 8:17:01 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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