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Date-rape drug allegation in Duke case
Newsday (NY) ^ | April 24, 2006 | BY JENNIFER SMITH

Posted on 04/24/2006 3:51:25 AM PDT by Perdogg

The exotic dancer who accused members of the Duke University lacrosse team of raping her at a party may have been slipped a date-rape drug, according to an interview with the second dancer in the May 1 issue of Newsweek that appeared on stands today.

Newsweek also reported that a defense attorney said some DNA evidence had been found under the accuser's fingernails, but that the first round of DNA testing - which did not incriminate any of the 46 players swabbed - was inconclusive about identity. Results from a second round of tests are expected this week.

The accuser, a 27-year-old black college student and mother, said she was raped and beaten by white students on March 13 after performing for them at a house party. Two lacrosse team members, Collin Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, and Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J., were charged Tuesday. Defense lawyers have maintained their clients' innocence, offering a detailed timeline and time-stamped photos from the party that they say throw the woman's story into doubt.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


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To: snarkytart

There are bath rugs/mats identified, but also "one large rug" ~ from the area of the party perhaps?


141 posted on 04/24/2006 9:34:50 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

OK, and here we have young men who happen to have KY-Jelly in their bathroom?

'some series 'splainin' to do.



How do you know it didn't belong to Crystal?


142 posted on 04/24/2006 9:34:53 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: muawiyah

>>OK, and here we have young men who happen to have KY-Jelly in their bathroom?<<

And do you happen to know that the KY Jelly did not come from the purse or make-up bag of Crystal, or Kim??

I don't---


143 posted on 04/24/2006 9:36:32 AM PDT by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: Neverforget01
Yup, moving you from one place to another without your permission because you are unconscious from a drug your assailant has administered, etc., etc., etc.

I really don't think your state of consciousness controls whether or not you are kidnapped, that being the superior crime ~ however, that Berkely article I referenced has a cite in there to another article that indicates you can die from these drugs.

144 posted on 04/24/2006 9:36:52 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Jrabbit

Never mind...

The security guard says she smelled alcohol on the driver, but not on the alleged victim. She says that the alleged victim "couldn't talk at all. … She was out of it." The security guard also suggests the alleged victim may have been high on drugs. She had a series of conversations with the woman who was driving the car, but did not speak with the alleged victim.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1849938&page=1


145 posted on 04/24/2006 9:37:02 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: maggief

Exactly maggie. So if a drink was spilled Kim should point out where and the carpet could be tested for date rape drugs. But I'm a dumb accountant, so I've probably got it all wrong. Maybe the drug evaporates when mixed with alcohol?


146 posted on 04/24/2006 9:37:17 AM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the drive-by-media)
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To: schooter
You recall Kim calling the police about being called names by people out front of that house, right?

We have long threads on FR that discuss little more than that call, and how Kim later changed her story.

147 posted on 04/24/2006 9:38:24 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

Kim and Crystal are just PARAGONS OF VIRTUE--as my Mother would say........SNORT!!!


148 posted on 04/24/2006 9:38:41 AM PDT by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: snarkytart
The items to be seized lists - #2. Blue bathroom carpet/rug.

I'm not sure if all three were bathroom rugs. One is labeled small bath mat. The other two are large rug and green rug. Those are rather vague descriptions.

149 posted on 04/24/2006 9:39:19 AM PDT by I want to know
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To: Perdogg
Date rape drug....NOT....now the drink could have been a mickey...that'll knock you on your butt fast...and so drunk along with going mentality blank...

The stripper could have also taken drugs then drinking on top of that would have caused exactly what happened to her. This crapola this second stripper said is so much speculation, I can't believe it's even news.

150 posted on 04/24/2006 9:39:27 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: All

I need some legal help---Would not administering an unlawful drug against a person's wishes be a seperate crime?


151 posted on 04/24/2006 9:40:46 AM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the drive-by-media)
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To: schooter
12:53:00 Stripper #2 calls 911 about racial insults (0:11:00)

1:22:00 Kroger security calls 911 about AV in stripper #2's car

From Missliberty.

Two 911 calls. Says Kim made one of 'em. You just said Kim didn't make a 911 call, right?

152 posted on 04/24/2006 9:40:46 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: shield

She was probably on xtc, imho.


153 posted on 04/24/2006 9:41:25 AM PDT by Perdogg (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem)
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To: Neverforget01

Yes....like kidnapping it would have been included in the indictment from the GJ...


154 posted on 04/24/2006 9:41:56 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: maggief

I don't know.

She claimed to have picked this drunk stripper up off the side of the road. No suspicion on her at that point. Maybe she ate some mints and played the good samaritan role?

But if the cops had checked her ID and ran a check, they'd have known she had a warrant out. Right?


155 posted on 04/24/2006 9:42:20 AM PDT by Jrabbit (Scuse me??)
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To: mystery-ak

Given Kim's proclivities (according to many on this thread), she'd no doubt taken it with her if it was "Crystal's".


156 posted on 04/24/2006 9:43:04 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: shield
This crapola this second stripper said is so much speculation, I can't believe it's even news.
______

THANK YOU!! Look at the source for all this..I mean, COME ON ALREADY PEOPLE.

It's Monday, I guess the media needs to rev up the old engines.
157 posted on 04/24/2006 9:43:17 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: maggief

Doesn't look like Nifong's pandering for the black vote has paid off.

Despite Simeon's efforts and the Nifong-approved sweetheart bail deal for Kim, the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People did not endorse Nifong.

http://www.newsobserver.com/944/story/431793.html


158 posted on 04/24/2006 9:43:29 AM PDT by Mad-Margaret
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To: Neverforget01

Maybe that little skinny guy. ROFL


159 posted on 04/24/2006 9:43:49 AM PDT by Jrabbit (Scuse me??)
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To: Perdogg

Both rohyphnol and GHB cause amnesia and muscle relaxation.
GHB is flushed from the system quickly- rohypnol can be detected by a urine test done within 72 hrs, preferably 48 hrs.

I doubt that any testing was done for the presence of these drugs specifically because the AV was able to give details of her alleged attack.
Had she arrived unconscious, disheveled, clothes torn off and with no memory of the attack, that would have been a red flag to test.
Alcohol potentiates the drug, so the AV would have been unconscious for a long time afterwards , plus she would have serious medical side effects- low blood pressure, respiratory distress, etc.
Which would have alerted the SANE nurse to the possibilty of a date rape drug.
The AV had a death grip on the stick shift in Kim's car-both drugs cause muscle relaxation.

I doubt Nifong has a positive test for date rape drugs, because he would have shouted that from the tops of every satellite truck surrounding his office.
A date rape drug scenario would make Nifong's job harder- his victim would have little or no recall of the events and without DNA and eyewitnesses , her 100% identification of the attackers and detailed accounting of the attack would be quickly shot down by the defense.
Nifong can't have it both ways.


160 posted on 04/24/2006 9:44:23 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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