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Because I've recently noticed a lot of vitriol against the theory of Intelligent Design, I decided to actually do a little research on what it is. This article seems to describe it fairly well. In the spirit of open mindedness and science, let me be the first to say that I'm sure that everyone will be absolutely objective, collegial, and downright polite.
1 posted on 03/29/2006 7:53:53 PM PST by SampleMan
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2 posted on 03/29/2006 7:55:16 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hitler and Stalin have nothing on Abortion)
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" ... let me be the first to say that I'm sure that everyone will be absolutely objective, collegial, and downright polite."

LOL!!!!!

When the evolutionists pile on that's when the thread deteriorates. They get down right NASTY.

I scanned the article. What the cowards have done is removed the word God and substituted the words Intelligent Design. The Intelligent Designer is the Judeo Christian God and yes, genuine, OBJECTIVE, science does support God, er Intelligent Design.
3 posted on 03/29/2006 8:00:07 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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An ambiguous statement is not a theory, nor even a statement. It is a diversion. (Likely willful or incredibly self-deluded...)


4 posted on 03/29/2006 8:01:35 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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If I.D. is legitimate scientific theory, someone with guts and money needs to publish the details as a peer reviewed paper in the appropriate venue and see what happens.

Oh wait, it's been done, but never seems to make it out of the review committee for publication...'cuz it doesn't qualify as science or a theory.

5 posted on 03/29/2006 8:05:19 PM PST by muleskinner
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There is only ONE reason evolution/ ID is a hot button issue: Government schools!

If there were no government k-12 schools the acrimony would evaporate like dew on morning grass.

Evolution has profound political, cultural, moral and ethical ( that means religious) consequences for all the children in a government school. Those consequences are NOT neutral.

No matter how the government school approaches this topic, the government WILL establish the worldview of some ( with religious consequences) and actively trash and undermine the most cherished family traditions of others.

Solution: Begin the process of completely separating school and state.
6 posted on 03/29/2006 8:06:48 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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Lynn Barton is a graduate of Wellesley College and a former stockbroker. She is married and the mother of two children, whom she homeschools on a small farm

8 posted on 03/29/2006 8:08:29 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Red meat, we were meant to eat it - Meat and Livestock Australia TV ad campaign)
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Very good article.


10 posted on 03/29/2006 8:13:20 PM PST by Mogollon
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What a steaming pile!

ID has absolutely nothing to do with science, it's not a theory (it's an opinion) and this article does nothing but reinforce the position that creationists and IDers (as if there's a difference) understand nothing of evolutionary theory.

Ahh, well. That's as collegial and polite as I can be in the face of such utter lunacy.


11 posted on 03/29/2006 8:14:46 PM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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It seems to me that before we can study intelligent design we should first have a scientific definition of "intelligent." What is the definition?


12 posted on 03/29/2006 8:15:06 PM PST by Avenger
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Sorry, but I.D. makes about as much sense as Jehovah Witness art. You know, the idyllic pictures of all the animals in God's Kingdom hangin' out together on the perfectly manicured, perfectly pruned back 40.

Nothing like a lion recently satiated with a big pile of tofu.

14 posted on 03/29/2006 8:16:45 PM PST by muleskinner
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I.D. theory ... is good science. I want to explain why

Before reading further I will make a prediction. The author will not do the one thing necessary to show that ID is a scientific theory, namely he will not deduce a testable prediction from it.

Curiously, that makes my theory about ID (that ID is not a scientific theory) scientific while ID itself is not (if my theory is correct that is).

15 posted on 03/29/2006 8:19:47 PM PST by edsheppa
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Dembski defines Intelligent Design thusly:

"Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory,"

[inTouchstone Magazine. Volume 12, Issue 4 July/August, 1999]

Showing some sense, the author seems to omit Dembski's contributions.

16 posted on 03/29/2006 8:23:57 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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19 posted on 03/29/2006 8:27:46 PM PST by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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With regard to Dover PA, and the notion that ID will "change everything" or whatever, it's worth noting that, even more important than the judge striking down the teaching of ID, a conservative school district rejected the ID advocates en masse at the voting booth. Even if the judge had not struck down the policy, the new duly elected school board would've reversed it, exactly as the voters wanted.


22 posted on 03/29/2006 8:32:39 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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"I.D. theory is concerned with the origin of life only."

Either the author doesn't understand evolutionary theory, or she doesn't understand I.D. Whichever it is, this statement alone is enough to discredit the entire article.

Although it's encouraging to see the debate progress as it is, we need to be much smarter in how we develop and present our arguments. Fundamental errors such as this, simply, is unacceptable.

23 posted on 03/29/2006 8:32:53 PM PST by csense
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Unsurprisingly I was right - no testable predictions are deduced from an assumption of ID. Thanks for posting even more evidence for my theory that ID isn't scientific.


25 posted on 03/29/2006 8:34:19 PM PST by edsheppa
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An excellent and well-reasoned article.


39 posted on 03/29/2006 8:49:23 PM PST by connectthedots
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47 posted on 03/29/2006 9:22:34 PM PST by kpp_kpp
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Intelligent design? Why was Jesus crucified(not my will but thy will be done)? Ans : GOD was crucified in much the same way by the 24 "elders"(prior idea-entities like pharisee-academics), imagine HIS darkness before he, through an act of self sacrifice and pure faith, said : let there be LIGHT. If you repeat this 6000 years ago creation nonsense(actually from a half-***ed scientific study of the bible by an irish bishop named Usher, murphy was his middle name)you'll be quickly forgotten. No, it was 13.7 BILLION years ago from many different discoveries; but the truth of Intelligent Design remains : the 25th in the series of concept-iterations was/is GOD, the supreme, self sacrificing entity who made the big bang from which all else developed....Take the biblical phrase : "and the morning stars sang together" : astronomers are just now discovering that early epoch of the first generation's massive stars-supernovae whose shock waves created the "soap bubble" texture of galaxies strung thruout the universe. Point : science and theology are boh searches for TRUTH, disparage neither...


53 posted on 03/29/2006 9:51:29 PM PST by timer
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For evolutionary change to occur, every single piece of its Rube Goldberg-like factory would have to mutate at exactly the same time, and each single mutation would have to be beneficial, or the cell would just die.

This is but one of many nonsensical assertions contained in this essay.

Every fertilized egg has a few transcription errors and mutations amongst its many thousands of genes. If this claim were correct, every last embryo would die before it got past the blob-of-cells stage.

56 posted on 03/29/2006 10:00:25 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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