Posted on 03/27/2006 9:53:41 AM PST by Pukin Dog
Just a little dose of reality for some of you going nuts over the Immigration issue, because there is NO chance that you will win on the border enforcement issue. No chance whatsoever. Only after a migrant worker program passes, making most of these illegal aliens legal, is there any chance at all to have meaningful border enforcement.
Bush is not running for office anymore, but the Republican Congress is in need of a big victory in November. This issue will kill our chances to maintain the majority, and knowing that, Bush will likely veto any bill making illegal immigration a felony, if that bill does not include the migrant worker program (call it amnesty if you want) needed to hold onto Business and Hispanic support for the Republican Party.
The Illegal Immigration Genie is out of the bottle, folks. You can’t stuff her back in without losing the House and/or Senate in November. Pragmatic minds will rule in the end, and that is a bitter pill you best swallow now.
FReepers can’t will elections for the Republican Party, but we sure can go a long way towards losing them, if we can’t put our common sense ahead of our passions on this issue. I live in San Diego County, and I see the problems with illegal immigration on a daily basis.
Whether you like it or not, much of the commerce of this country does depend on these folks to do jobs that Americans won’t do for the prevailing wage.
So, you have a choice, you can demand the border enforcement bills on their own, or you can swallow hard and consider everything you will lose if we turn off 10-15% of the electorate, in addition to the business community that depends on these workers. Yeah, they broke the law, and so do the people who hire them.
So what?
Yeah, I said it, SO WHAT? The time to be worried about that was when there were REAL Republican majorities in the Border States. It is too late now. This is a problem that cannot be solved, but only managed.
It is possible to be right and stupid at the same time. Pete Wilson tried this a few years ago, got all kinds of support for it. It passed, and Pete Wilson is gone. Then a judge overturned it anyway. That is exactly what you can expect to happen with these current bills as well. Some judge will put an injunction on enforcement, but by the time that happens, we will be knee-deep into impeachment proceeding under a Democrat Congress.
Bush won’t let that happen, neither will smarter members of the Senate and House. You won’t win, you can’t win, but you can shoot yourself and the Republican party in the head (even if you are not a member) by pursuing a program that does not include amnesty or whatever you want to call it.
We lost this one.
Get over it. There are bigger battles ahead.
P'ing off the other 81% is positively suicidal. There are only two sides to this issue. You're either on the side of your fellow citizens, and for maintaining our sovereignty, or you're with the criminals and foreign governments trying to bring this country down. Pick a side and fight, or get out of the way!
GarySpFc: "BTW, PD on a previous thread you admitted to hiring illegals to work around your home. I would say you are slightly biased"
PD: "If bias is having an opinion, then I guess I would plead guilty to that."
Do you personally enable the illegals/invaders?
Is that what they call flamebait these days?
That's what they're counting on. I've read stories where illegal alien women, 8-9 months pregnant, make their way here to have their baby just so they can use that clause. Time to dump it. No anchor babies.
It's an American tradition. The transcontinental railroad was built with (100,000 Chinese friends of the Pennsylvania Railroad) illegal immigrant labor. If the Golden Door is shut today, wait until tonight and climb over it.
I want those that think I'm right to win.
Vicente Fox is no better for America than the Chavez/Castro puppets before him or that will come after.
We need to put effetive barriers to illegal entry of America up yesterday.
I agree with you about Fox. I am actually glad he has been there all these years to provide a buffer between us and the outrageous socialist shenanigans going on down further south.
The WOT...fine. But answer me this: Why exactly do we need to protect our country from terrorist attacks? What will happen if we just give in to them? How would that be any different than giving our country to Mexico via amnesty for illegal 'immigrants'? Both cases would be takeovers; it's just that one would be more obvious and violent than the other.
Don't apologize for having an opposing opinion. Its all good! I certainly wont be cryin in my coffee if some FReepers disagree with me. Thank YOU for the respectful opposition.
"That's what they're counting on. I've read stories where illegal alien women, 8-9 months pregnant, make their way here to have their baby just so they can use that clause. Time to dump it. No anchor babies."
"That's what they're counting on. I've read stories where illegal alien women, 8-9 months pregnant, make their way here to have their baby just so they can use that clause. Time to dump it. No anchor babies."
The scores of cubic tons of debris left on private property at the border underscore that what you are saying is true.
Anchor babies isn't about life or death it's about rewarding the child for a crime committed by the parents and by association rewarding the parents because they claim the child is an american citizen and therefore has a right to stay and be given welfare and not deprived of it's parents. In most cases the parents are deported anyway and the child winds up living with a relative who collects the welfare checks on behalf of the child.
Nice system.
Staying is one thing, automatically being awarded citizenship and welfare etc. along with it is another.
If the parents want the child to stay they can give it up for adoption.
Actually, Fox IS better. I realize you don't believe me, but we will see the evidence in a few short months.
"So, the millions of parents of any sort of baby can get away with any sort of crime because of this? "I'm sorry, Judge, you can't lock me up for robbing that liquor store at gunpoint because I have a toddler at home." "I'm sorry, BP Agent Jones, you can't take me and deport me because I have a toddler at home." Same thing."
You didn't read all my posts on this.
I said we would likely need a guest worker program for the parents of the anchor babies ONLY!
That keeps from raising taxes to pay for the mess of deporting all of those, and supporting the children.
You're pretty mouthy ... and wrong. This mass amnesty will lead to millions of Democrat voters and the end of any conservative wins in the USA
If not us, who? If not now, when? If Bush's scamnesty goes through, we are no longer a sovereign nation. There will be no ground left on which to stand and fight. We will have lost the war for fear of fighting the battle.
Yeah, Bush's bill. That is the best one you are going to get in this political climate.
How many troops did Mexico send to the M.E. Coalition of the Willing? NONE! In fact, Fox has repeatedly SIDED WITH OUR ENEMIES!
heheheeh...ok. Good one.
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