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'More tar' in cannabis than cigarettes
Herald Sun ^ | 27 March 2006

Posted on 03/26/2006 3:18:10 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

SMOKING three cannabis joints will cause you to inhale the same amount of toxic chemicals as a whole packet of cigarettes, according to research published in France today.

Cannabis smoke contains seven times more tar and carbon monoxide, the French National Consumers' Institute concluded in research published in the April edition of its monthly magazine.

The institute tested regular Marlboro cigarettes alongside 280 specially rolled joints of cannabis leaves and resin in an artificial smoking machine.

The tests examined the content of the smoke for tar and carbon monoxide, as well as for the toxic chemicals nicotine, benzene and toluene.

"Cannabis smoke contains seven times more tar and carbon monoxide than tobacco smoke," the institute's magazine says.

Someone smoking a joint of cannabis resin rolled with tobacco will inhale twice the amount of benzene and three times as much toluene as if they were smoking a regular cigarette, the study says.

Smokers of pure cannabis leaves will also inhale more of these chemicals than from a normal cigarette, though the amount varies depending on the quantities.

"Smoking three joints every day – which is becoming frequent – makes you run the same risks of cancer or cardio-vascular diseases as smoking a packet of cigarettes," the magazine says.

Cannabis is "by far" the most popular illicit drug in France, it says. The number of cigarette smokers and people drinking alcohol fell in 2005, while the number of cannabis users has increased in France in the past five years.


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To: robertpaulsen

"It's not up to me. It's up to the majority of the voters, acting through their duly elected representatives, bound by both their State Constitution and the U.S. Constitution".

This is your story now, yet you have complained about the voters in California passing a medical marijuana bill.

Your story constantly changes to fit your argument of the moment.


201 posted on 03/29/2006 5:41:39 AM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: robertpaulsen
"knowing that the fed.s are going to continue to arrest 650,000 citizens per year for possessing cannabis."(winston2)

I don't know that. I do know that 643,500 of those are arrested by state and local police for violating state laws. The other 1% are arrested by the feds, primarily for drug dealing and drug trafficking.

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You are correct. The fed.s mainly spend the billions of our tax dollars in a failed effort to reduce cannabis use. The various states use their anti-cannabis laws mainly as a means to gather revenue. I guess you might say that those who are arrested simply pay the state tax.

state by state marijuana laws

202 posted on 03/29/2006 5:46:35 AM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:)
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To: robertpaulsen; Nate505; winston2

"Hey, this is robertpaulsen you're talking to, not some ignorant lurker. If taste, smell, and looks were important, you'd see those factors emphasized in the seed ads. What's emphasized? The high".

robertpaulsen lies again to try to make a bogus point.

Dutch Passion Blueberry marijuana has a very fruity aroma and taste of blueberry.

Bubble Gum marijuana with the characteristic, sweet smell (truly resembling a typical bubble gum taste).

Bubblelicious has a distinct pink chewing gum scent and flavor.

Citral cannabis produces a nice mellow herbal marijuana taste. Citral produces a fresh aroma.

Double Gum cannabis most interesting qualities of this marijuana plant is the sweetness in taste and smell.

Dutch Passion has an excellent taste.

http://buzzgrower.com/marijuanaseeds.htm

robertpaulsen, wrong again.

Cut the bull, robertpaulsen.


203 posted on 03/29/2006 6:01:01 AM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: Supernatural
"This is your story now, yet you have complained about the voters in California passing a medical marijuana bill."

The medical marijuana bill was not passed through the legislature -- it was a public referendum that barely passed.

My story doesn't change. Your reading comprehension does, however.

204 posted on 03/29/2006 10:23:47 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Supernatural

Oh, excuse me. I only listed the four top selling brands. I never did look at the bottom of the list.


205 posted on 03/29/2006 10:27:46 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Nice of you to admit you are wrong. Again.


206 posted on 03/29/2006 10:29:56 AM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Your words then: "It's up to the majority of the voters"

Your words now: "The medical marijuana bill was not passed through the legislature it was a public referendum that barely passed".

Don't the "majority of the voters" vote to pass a public referendum?

And then you have the nerve to say "My story doesn't change".

Your story does nothing but change.

Yet another disingenuous argument from you.


207 posted on 03/29/2006 10:35:04 AM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: robertpaulsen
Your Harm Reduction Journal has Soros ties, you know. I doubt it's as objective as you'd like us to believe.

Do you have any criticisms of the research?

208 posted on 03/29/2006 11:07:37 AM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: Aussie Dasher
Now, what was that line about pot being safer than tobacco? And it screws your brain, too!

Who cares if it's safer than tobacco? Shouldn't people have the right to do their own risk-benefit analysis and decide for themselves if it's worth it?
209 posted on 03/29/2006 11:09:26 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: JTN
"Do you have any criticisms of the research?"

It's suspect, considering the source.

210 posted on 03/29/2006 2:24:07 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Stone Mountain; All
Who cares if it's safer than tobacco? Shouldn't people have the right to do their own risk-benefit analysis and decide for themselves if it's worth it?

I've been in the cannabis culture for over 30 years and I've never known anyone to have any health complications that could be described as caused by cannabis use.

Do any of you other forum members have first hand knowledge of any health complications that can be attributed to marijuana use?

211 posted on 03/29/2006 4:07:47 PM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:)
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To: robertpaulsen

Hey, this is robertpaulsen you're talking to, not some ignorant lurker. If taste, smell, and looks were important, you'd see those factors emphasized in the seed ads. What's emphasized? The high.

"A very soft smoke and great high. Very potent." -- White Widow

"The smoke is smooth and the high is very strong." -- Big Bud

"It is a powerful strain with sativa overtones." -- Purple Power

"One of the marijuana strains related to the White Widow marijuana strain so strength goes without saying." -- Early Misty

"Let me guess, people don't drink wine for the taste either, just the alcoholic content."

Ever see wine advertised this way? Got one ad you could refer me to? Didn't think so.

First of all, taking selective quotes from ads is not very impressive. Take you entry for White Widow. Greenhouse seeds is the original breeder of the strain, and this is their description:

This Widow has a moderate THC content and yield, but absolute connoisseur quality. It offers a strong Indica kick and an ever-present Sativa head-high, combined with a clean, smooth smoking flavour.

The flavor is advertised here, as well as the high and yield. IIRC, White Widow didn't have an exceptional smell so it was not advertised (much like a Toyota Corolla doesn't advertise it's horsepower).

Second of all, I said taste and smell were key components, not that high isn't important to the average pot buyer. Of course it is. But pot with a great smell and taste and a potent high will outsell pot with no smell and taste but a potent high any day of the week. Why is that so if all anyone cares about is the potency?

And third of all, the alcohol content of wine is fairly standard and doesn't vary much, so there is no need to advertise it.

212 posted on 03/29/2006 7:47:34 PM PST by Nate505
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To: Supernatural

Blueberry and Bubblegum are very popular strains of pot. Do you have some sort of Stoner 500 list to show that Big Bud is a more popular strain than Blueberry is?


213 posted on 03/29/2006 7:49:35 PM PST by Nate505
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To: Nate505

All I have is the seed link on post 203. Sorry.

Paulsen never did answer post 207.

Whipped dog with tail between the legs.


214 posted on 03/29/2006 7:52:24 PM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: Supernatural
"Don't the "majority of the voters" vote to pass a public referendum?"

No. The majority of voters who vote pass a public referendum. In the case of medical marijuana for the State of California, that "majority of voters" represented 10% of the population.

215 posted on 03/30/2006 8:02:19 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Still trying to twist words around, aren't you?

If the majority of voters who voted was 10% of the population isn't that "The majority of voters who vote"? And aren't they the ones who "pass a public referendum"?

Do you even realized what you are saying? Or are you completely delusional, as you posts infer that you are?


216 posted on 03/30/2006 8:28:10 AM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: winston2
I've been in the cannabis culture for over 30 years and I've never known anyone to have any health complications that could be described as caused by cannabis use.

I can also make this identical statement - well, ok, 25 years, but still, I haven't seen any problems either.

My point though is that even if it were dangerous - even really, really dangerous to the user, I still think the user should have the option of making his own risk-benefit anaylsis and choosing whatever they feel is best for them. everyone knows tobacco is dangerous to the user, yet most people believe that people should have the option of making the decision for themselves whether or not to smoke. I think the same should go for any substance.

217 posted on 03/30/2006 1:18:41 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: robertpaulsen
[Nate:] Growing your own is not cheap

on the very next pot thread, you or some other pro-pot legalizer will try to convince me that growing your own is really inexpensive and easy

Why is Nate responsible for what some other pro-legalizer says?

it is clear to you that I am saying Nate is responsible for what some other pro-legalizer says.

Either that or your response to his statement was a non sequitur on the order of 'eggs are five pesos a dozen in Guadelajara.'

218 posted on 03/31/2006 5:25:29 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: gulfcoast6

"Here is an added feature, lots of time after law enforcement sprays it to kill the plants it is harvested and sold, agent orange and all."

Urban myth.

It isn't sprayed and abandoned.

It typically isnt sprayed - it's removed and burned.


219 posted on 04/01/2006 6:35:53 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: robertpaulsen

"Well, alicewonders, it turns out that people don't do that. They're out and about doing drugs, and 1.5 million of them are arrested every year."

You're perfect proof that not all dopes smoke dope.


220 posted on 04/01/2006 6:43:40 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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