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Creationism to be taught on GCSE science syllabus (you can't keep a good idea down)
The Times of London ^ | 10 March 2006 | Tony Halpin

Posted on 03/09/2006 6:55:14 PM PST by Greg o the Navy

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To: Virginia-American
I just want anything taught as science to be backed by a consensus of scientists.

IOW, you're happy with the status quo.

421 posted on 03/11/2006 2:16:27 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: metmom
science is restricting itself too much in an attempt to keep ANY *non-natural* explanation out of the picture.

Science can't measure non-natural explainations.

422 posted on 03/11/2006 2:18:39 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: trashcanbred
it is called the fossil record.

Since fossils don't come with time/date stamps, and there is a considerable amount of dispute over the aging of fossils (some fossils have been recently found with soft-tissue) how does that support your position?

423 posted on 03/11/2006 2:24:43 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"What is moronic is to consider the idea that organized matter performing specific functions, when construed as possibly the result of intelligent design, is a serious threat to education in general and science in particular."

Nearsighted.

That's not what would be threatened, as you would have people who don't believe in what you want taught. It's moronic to think that your message is what will be presented in the classroom.

" claim that every single creation story must be given an equal hearing in the classroom is bogus..."

Your belief that that will not be the case is unrealistic, and out of touch. Public schools may not elevate one religion above others, your thoughts on the subject notwithstanding.

"...just like the claim of some that the idea of intelligent design automatically stifles scientific curiosity"

Your next complaint will be when the theory of intelligent design is debunked by the application of the scientific method...at least you'll get to play the victim again.

"n effort to defend what is merely a shaping principle as opposed to hard science you are making a mountain out of a mole hill."

In your effort to o-pen up a full debate on this issue, you will allow the public school system the opportunity to attack Biblical creation.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

424 posted on 03/11/2006 2:33:04 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: LiteKeeper
Since fossils don't come with time/date stamps, and there is a considerable amount of dispute over the aging of fossils...

Scientists date fossils using a variety of methods. The accuracy is getting to be better and better all the time.

Creationists dispute any such dating for non-scientific reasons. They often try to wrap their objections in scientific terms, but their objections are frequently nonsense.

425 posted on 03/11/2006 2:36:15 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: VadeRetro

it all depends on whether the sauce is indeed the product of tomatos, or instead the product of tomatoes.

it is the epsilon of difference, you see


426 posted on 03/11/2006 2:47:04 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: From many - one.
everything and theheard in in a nursery rhyme.

ehwhaaa?

427 posted on 03/11/2006 2:48:03 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout
I see you intolerantly make no allowance for the white clam sauce. I will pray for you.
428 posted on 03/11/2006 2:54:38 PM PST by VadeRetro (I have the updated "Your brain on creationism" on my homepage.)
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To: xzins; ToryHeartland

This is the General Secondary School Examination - it is taken at the end of fifth form year. The equivalent in my native Hong Kong is the Hong Kong Certificate of Education Examination (HKCEE) as Hong Kong shares the same education system as England and Wales (Scotland uses a different education system more similar to states in Australia and New Zealand) - courtesy of Hong Kong's colonial history.

British education system at secondary level is 3-2-2 and radically different from America high school (or even the American-influenced Chinese education system, which is used in both China and Taiwan). I don't think there is any equivalence at all. It consists of three years of junior secondary school (Forms 1 to 3), followed by two years of senior secondary school education (Forms 4 and 5). GCSE is sat at the end of the 5th Form year. Once you get past a certain standard at 5th Form you will then be admitted into a two-year Sixth Form courses, or University Matriculation (it was the official name 40 years ago in Britain, since then it is not in use in Britain but still popularly used in Hong Kong). The first year is Form 6, second year Form 7 - it was at the end of Form 7 that you sit the A Level exam (this rule is the same for both Britain and Hong Kong).

There is no exact definition of saying which is the final secondary school year under this system. Officially it is Form 5 as Forms 6 and 7 are matriculation years for university studies, but in other countries standards the Sixth Form years do count as "hish school". Some count it as Form 7 but in Britain at least half of students leave after the fifth form year (in Hong Kong it is even worse: only 1/3 of stduents can go to Form 6 after passing HKCEE - when my brother was at schol 20 years ago only 20% of Form 5 students could advance to Form 6).

I have here information about Hong Kong's education system at this level, from the HKSAR government. It highlights characteristics of this type of education system:




http://www.info.gov.hk/yearbook/2004/en/07_04.htm

School Education

Free and universal basic education is provided for children aged six to 15 to enjoy six years of primary education plus three years of basic secondary education. Admission to Primary 1 in aided and government schools is through a centralised system, and at the end of Primary 6 all students are provided with secondary school places. Most secondary schools offer three-year basic and two-year senior secondary courses leading to the HKCEE as well as two-year sixth-form matriculation courses leading to the Hong Kong Advanced Level Examination. All Secondary 3 students who are willing and able to continue with their study are given the opportunity to receive subsidised Secondary 4 education or vocational training. About one-third of Secondary 5 leavers may further their studies in subsidised Secondary 6 and 7 school places.



429 posted on 03/11/2006 2:56:16 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: VadeRetro

the sauces of Bivalvodules are lukewarm to the FSM


430 posted on 03/11/2006 2:57:41 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout
Good source of iron, actually. Tad high on the cholesterol.
431 posted on 03/11/2006 3:00:38 PM PST by VadeRetro (I have the updated "Your brain on creationism" on my homepage.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
So you're doing it the really right way? Maybe I should take notes.

However you made the claim, what he said seems imminently correct except for the improbable escape clause noted. Thus, claiming that RWP's post is untrue would itself appear untrue.

433 posted on 03/11/2006 3:16:18 PM PST by VadeRetro (I have the updated "Your brain on creationism" on my homepage.)
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To: From many - one.; phantomworker

try that last line as:

...and they heard it in a nursery rhyme.


434 posted on 03/11/2006 3:19:09 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.

I see. thanks


436 posted on 03/11/2006 3:20:38 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Which Creation stories would you omit and why?


438 posted on 03/11/2006 3:24:55 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.

I usually don't see typos. LOL! I make up what I think it should be. ;) But thanks for clarifying that!!!

Check this out. This is pretty amazing!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1584856/posts?page=2186#2186


439 posted on 03/11/2006 3:27:09 PM PST by phantomworker (The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. - Thomas Koenig)
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To: LiteKeeper

The intra-field scientific disputes I've seen are all well within the range of evolutionary timelines and none would support a young earth timeline.


440 posted on 03/11/2006 3:27:39 PM PST by From many - one.
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