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To: xmission
It seems to me that you are probably one of the people here most likely to have prayed for the Jews last night.

Shabbot Shalom

The poster claimed that Nazis were doing the Lord's work link; and that the Jewish holocaust victims brought the suffering on themselves by turning from God link; and that those victims are doomed to Hell forever link.

What are your thoughts on those claims?

2,006 posted on 02/25/2006 8:49:08 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
 

The poster claimed that Nazis were doing the Lord's work link;

and that the Jewish holocaust victims brought the suffering on themselves by turning from God link;

and that those victims are doomed to Hell forever link.



NIV Deuteronomy 30:19-20
 19.  This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
 20.  and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the LORD is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
 

NIV Exodus 15:26
   He said, "If you listen carefully to the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees, I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, who heals you."
 

NIV Exodus 19:5-6
 5.  Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine,
 6.  you  will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites."
 

NIV Exodus 23:22-23
 22.  If you listen carefully to what he says and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you.
 23.  My angel will go ahead of you and bring you into the land of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites and Jebusites, and I will wipe them out.
 
 

NIV Deuteronomy 11:26-28
 26.  See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse-- 
 27.  the blessing if you obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you today;
 28.  the curse if you disobey the commands of the LORD your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known.
 

NIV Deuteronomy 30:1-5
 1.  When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come upon you and you take them to heart wherever the LORD your God disperses you among the nations,
 2.  and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today,
 3.  then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes  and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you.
 4.  Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back.  (1948??)
 5.  He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.
 
 
 
NIV Joshua 8:34
   Afterward, Joshua read all the words of the law--the blessings and the curses--just as it is written in the Book of the Law.
 

NIV Psalms 37:21-22
 21.  The wicked borrow and do not repay, but the righteous give generously;
 22.  those the LORD blesses will inherit the land, but those he curses will be cut off.
 

NIV Malachi 2:1-2
 1.  "And now this admonition is for you, O priests.
 2.  If you do not listen, and if you do not set your heart to honor my name," says the LORD Almighty, "I will send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not set your heart to honor me.

2,014 posted on 02/25/2006 9:14:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Ken H
What are your thoughts on those claims?

It looks like you are going for a master-debator word trap here, but...

I realize that you may not agree, but the old testament says the same thing Elsie points out many times before modern history.

The OT tells us that the conflict that Israel has in our current day with it's neighbors is brought about because Israel had turned it's back on GOD, in fact it predicts this conflict will continue throughout history.

The Jews understood that their slavery in Egypt was brought about for this reason.

The bible says that all things work for the good of GOD. Even the terrible things that happen will eventually help to fulfill GOD's purpose.

Again, just for clarity, I am not saying that the Jews who died in the holocost went to hell. I have faith that GOD offers all of the help that is needed when it comes to eternity.
2,025 posted on 02/25/2006 11:39:28 AM PST by xmission
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