Churches urged to back evolution

British Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 20 February 2006 | Paul Rincon

[zeeba neighba]

Where have you been? I suppose the fact that Israel depends on the US for its right to exist is lost on you.

[donh]

Where have you been? I suppose the fact that Israel depends on the US for its right to exist is lost on you.

What kind of dopey argument is this? Perhaps you think it would be a good defense of a mass murderer, that he always picks up his litter?

[zeeba neighba]

You are the one ranting that Christians hate Jews. The fact is, we consider them as our elder brother, and sincerely believe, as the Bible says, that all those who are against Israel God will destroy. Although many Christians are not Zionists, many are, and it is the so-called Christian nation of the US that stands on the side of Israel in world affairs. So my friend, your little rant is just plain ridiculous.

[donh]

You are the one ranting that Christians hate Jews. The fact is, we consider them as our elder brother, and sincerely believe, as the Bible says, that all those who are against Israel God will destroy. Although many Christians are not Zionists, many are, and it is the so-called Christian nation of the US that stands on the side of Israel in world affairs. So my friend, your little rant is just plain ridiculous.

Christians have been officially hating jews as a Christian duty for 1400 years, as manifested in torturing and murdering them, kidnapping their children, and massacring them wholesale within the ghettos they were imprisoned. All under the careful guidance and cheerleading of their Christian spiritual advisors. 50 years of Christians behaving themselves after the Holocaust, doesn't mean the leopard has changed its spots.

[zeeba neighba]

Mankind has been killing his brother since Cain slew Abel. Cain had everything, even the Presence of God, and he chose to throw it away. I don't like the way some people are, you don't like it and I'm sure, if it was up to people truly spiritual, it would cease. In spite of what you believe, the Christian NT does not condone murder in any way, shape or form. You lack a basis understanding of the bible if you even harbor such a thought.

[presently no screen name]

You can ignore me or call me names all you want - it won't change my life one iota. I didn't say Catholics weren't Christians but Christians are not necessarily Catholics.

You posted there were statues in Christian churches and I said in catholic churches there are statues. You mentioned Protestant, I haven't been in a Protestant church so I didn't comment. Stop in a Christian church (nondenominational) and see for yourself, you won't find any statues. Stop in a Catholic church and you will see statues. That's all I wanted to get across.

I don't know what Martin Luther thought but the Jewish people are God's chosen. Jesus was a Jew and his apostles and his mother, Mary. How did they win the 6-day war when everything was against them and they were out numbered? God's intervention. Recently a soldier from that war was interviewed on TV. The story was quite amazing.

I don't care who hates me, talks about me or tries to cause me harm because I'm under His protection. He takes care of His own, those that know and love Him.

I'm not asking you to agree with me, just passing on info - see for yourself.

[donh]

I didn't say Catholics weren't Christians

Well, yes, you did. When you said:

Christian churches do not have any statues for the reason you stated, Catholic churches have many.

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but Christians are not necessarily Catholics.

You posted there were statues in Christian churches and I said in catholic churches there are statues. You mentioned Protestant, I haven't been in a Protestant church so I didn't comment. Stop in a Christian church

I see. So neither catholics nor protestants are christians.

I don't know what Martin Luther thought but the Jewish people are God's chosen. Jesus was a Jew and his apostles and his mother, Mary. How did they win the 6-day war when everything was against them and they were out numbered? God's intervention. Recently a soldier from that war was interviewed on TV. The story was quite amazing.

I don't care who hates me, talks about me or tries to cause me harm because I'm under His protection. He takes care of His own, those that know and love Him.

I'm not asking you to agree with me, just passing on info - see for yourself.

I don't want to be testified to, and I don't think you intend to respond to my concerns in a manner that will make much sense to me. Please direct your inquiries elsewhere.

[donh]

Mankind has been killing his brother since Cain slew Abel. Cain had everything, even the Presence of God, and he chose to throw it away. I don't like the way some people are, you don't like it and I'm sure, if it was up to people truly spiritual, it would cease. In spite of what you believe, the Christian NT does not condone murder in any way, shape or form. You lack a basis understanding of the bible if you even harbor such a thought.

However filled with christian charity you may be, hating jews because of the bible is a long-standing christian tradition. See some of the recent postings here on this thread by Elsie. You can find plenty more christian biblically-based jewish hatred by googling ""truth in history" "Matthew 27:25"". It's far from being a musty historical embarassment. Maybe it will help if you ram your head even further into the sand.

[Right Wing Professor]

You're still reaching. It said thirty cubits compassed it around, not a phrase one would use for an internal circumference. You can't claim ten cubits from brim to brim is an outside measurement, and thirty cubits is an inside measurement, wthout special pleading. So give it up.

[Thatcherite]

Your assertion is not one I buy. Scientists have already established most of the tenets of the evolutionary model, and thus interpret the evidence through their lens of evolutionary thinking. Do you deny the veracity of this statement: "Scientists who believe in evolution look at and interpret the evidence according to their evolutionary worldview?" You must understand, the sentence does NOT carry with it any weight of accusation or distortion, but merely the claim that personal bias plays a factor.

Your complete failure to acknowledge (understand) my point that successful predictions cannot be tainted by bias is noted. I repeat, interpretation of existing evidence and observations is only the first step on the road. Its easy to see why creationists ignore the rest of the stages towards "theory". Thus far all forms of creation science have yet to post a single successful prediction.

As for the citations, please visit http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1435562/posts Most are scientists there.

In that list I could find exactly two quotes that have anything remotely to do with your claim that "As can be demonstrated, early evolutionary theorists confessed that they were not drawn to the idea of secularist evolution because of any scientific merit, but rather because of its implications in morality."

The two least irrelevant quotes were from Sir Julian Huxley, and Aldous Huxley (no, its not a coincidence that they share names, his brother, a novelist not a scientist). Neither of these people fit the bill of "early evolutionary theorists". Neither of them say that they weren't drawn to evolution because of scientific merit. As usual when it comes to supporting your contentions you are batting zero so far. Your "as can be demonstrated" as yet hasn't been. Do you have any citations that support the claim that you actually made?

[xmission]

The fact is, we consider them as our elder brother, and sincerely believe, as the Bible says, that all those who are against Israel God will destroy.

Amen

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"The two least irrelevant quotes were from Sir Julian Huxley, and Aldous Huxley (no, its not a coincidence that they share names, his brother, a novelist not a scientist). Neither of these people fit the bill of "early evolutionary theorists"."

It gets worse. One of the quotes is from Colin Patterson (allegedly) ("The only competing explanation for the order we all see in the biological world is the notion of special creation."). I have also seen the same exact quote attributed to Niles Elderidge and Fred Hoyle. The gross quote mining of Patterson is bad enough. The absolute fabrication of the Julian Huxley quote is unconscionable. He never said it, nothing even close. The Aldous Huxley quote had nothing to do with evolution, and was in a book by Aldous AGAINST a philosophy of meaninglessness. He was never an atheist.

http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/julian_huxley_lie.html

The rest of the list is the same old same old creationist quote mining and *inveracity*.

We are all still waiting for a quote from an early evolutionist that will substantiate this claim,

"As can be demonstrated, early evolutionary theorists confessed that they were not drawn to the idea of secularist evolution because of any scientific merit, but rather because of its implications in morality."

The Huxley fabrications won't do.

[kinsman redeemer]

Thanks.

[xmission]

Just so you don't think that you're not going to have anyone stick up for you, I do not see the hate for the Jews coming from you that you've been accused of. I'm sure that you would say that all of the things that you pointed out, are applied to each one of us.

It seems to me that you are probably one of the people here most likely to have prayed for the Jews last night.

Shabbot Shalom

[Thatcherite]

It gets worse. One of the quotes is from Colin Patterson (allegedly) ("The only competing explanation for the order we all see in the biological world is the notion of special creation."). I have also seen the same exact quote attributed to Niles Elderidge and Fred Hoyle. The gross quote mining of Patterson is bad enough.

It gets still worse. DLR was so smitten with that Patterson quote that he included in his list, and then he included it in his list again, further down. I've noticed before that DLR appears to have a severe short-term memory problem, to go with his reading comprehension and simple logic difficulties.

[presently no screen name]

I see. So neither catholics nor protestants are christians.


That's NOT what I said. They most certainly ARE christians. We were discussing statues, not who is a Christian and who isn't. Being a Christian is of the heart, not the denomination.

I wasn't inquiring about anything. Sorry to have interrupted your peace. Have a good one.

[Elsie]

I didn't accuse you of being a liar, you accused me.

And showed EXACTLY where you did it!!!!

Something that you CAN'T do!

[Thatcherite]

Your lack of a coherent response is noted. So, where are those citations then?

[PatrickHenry]

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