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To: DaveLoneRanger
Your assertion is not one I buy. Scientists have already established most of the tenets of the evolutionary model, and thus interpret the evidence through their lens of evolutionary thinking. Do you deny the veracity of this statement: "Scientists who believe in evolution look at and interpret the evidence according to their evolutionary worldview?" You must understand, the sentence does NOT carry with it any weight of accusation or distortion, but merely the claim that personal bias plays a factor.

Your complete failure to acknowledge (understand) my point that successful predictions cannot be tainted by bias is noted. I repeat, interpretation of existing evidence and observations is only the first step on the road. Its easy to see why creationists ignore the rest of the stages towards "theory". Thus far all forms of creation science have yet to post a single successful prediction.

As for the citations, please visit http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1435562/posts Most are scientists there.

In that list I could find exactly two quotes that have anything remotely to do with your claim that "As can be demonstrated, early evolutionary theorists confessed that they were not drawn to the idea of secularist evolution because of any scientific merit, but rather because of its implications in morality."

The two least irrelevant quotes were from Sir Julian Huxley, and Aldous Huxley (no, its not a coincidence that they share names, his brother, a novelist not a scientist). Neither of these people fit the bill of "early evolutionary theorists". Neither of them say that they weren't drawn to evolution because of scientific merit. As usual when it comes to supporting your contentions you are batting zero so far. Your "as can be demonstrated" as yet hasn't been. Do you have any citations that support the claim that you actually made?

1,990 posted on 02/25/2006 6:21:10 AM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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"The two least irrelevant quotes were from Sir Julian Huxley, and Aldous Huxley (no, its not a coincidence that they share names, his brother, a novelist not a scientist). Neither of these people fit the bill of "early evolutionary theorists"."

It gets worse. One of the quotes is from Colin Patterson (allegedly) ("The only competing explanation for the order we all see in the biological world is the notion of special creation."). I have also seen the same exact quote attributed to Niles Elderidge and Fred Hoyle. The gross quote mining of Patterson is bad enough. The absolute fabrication of the Julian Huxley quote is unconscionable. He never said it, nothing even close. The Aldous Huxley quote had nothing to do with evolution, and was in a book by Aldous AGAINST a philosophy of meaninglessness. He was never an atheist.

http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/julian_huxley_lie.html

The rest of the list is the same old same old creationist quote mining and *inveracity*.

We are all still waiting for a quote from an early evolutionist that will substantiate this claim,

"As can be demonstrated, early evolutionary theorists confessed that they were not drawn to the idea of secularist evolution because of any scientific merit, but rather because of its implications in morality."

The Huxley fabrications won't do.
1,992 posted on 02/25/2006 6:48:23 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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