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Churches urged to back evolution
British Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 20 February 2006 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 02/20/2006 5:33:50 AM PST by ToryHeartland

Churches urged to back evolution By Paul Rincon BBC News science reporter, St Louis

US scientists have called on mainstream religious communities to help them fight policies that undermine the teaching of evolution.

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) hit out at the "intelligent design" movement at its annual meeting in Missouri.

Teaching the idea threatens scientific literacy among schoolchildren, it said.

Its proponents argue life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own.

As the name suggests, intelligent design is a concept invoking the hand of a designer in nature.

It's time to recognise that science and religion should never be pitted against each other Gilbert Omenn AAAS president

There have been several attempts across the US by anti-evolutionists to get intelligent design taught in school science lessons.

At the meeting in St Louis, the AAAS issued a statement strongly condemning the moves.

"Such veiled attempts to wedge religion - actually just one kind of religion - into science classrooms is a disservice to students, parents, teachers and tax payers," said AAAS president Gilbert Omenn.

"It's time to recognise that science and religion should never be pitted against each other.

"They can and do co-exist in the context of most people's lives. Just not in science classrooms, lest we confuse our children."

'Who's kidding whom?'

Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education, which campaigns to keep evolution in public schools, said those in mainstream religious communities needed to "step up to the plate" in order to prevent the issue being viewed as a battle between science and religion.

Some have already heeded the warning.

"The intelligent design movement belittles evolution. It makes God a designer - an engineer," said George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory.

"Intelligent design concentrates on a designer who they do not really identify - but who's kidding whom?"

Last year, a federal judge ruled in favour of 11 parents in Dover, Pennsylvania, who argued that Darwinian evolution must be taught as fact.

Dover school administrators had pushed for intelligent design to be inserted into science teaching. But the judge ruled this violated the constitution, which sets out a clear separation between religion and state.

Despite the ruling, more challenges are on the way.

Fourteen US states are considering bills that scientists say would restrict the teaching of evolution.

These include a legislative bill in Missouri which seeks to ensure that only science which can be proven by experiment is taught in schools.

I think if we look at where the empirical scientific evidence leads us, it leads us towards intelligent design Teacher Mark Gihring "The new strategy is to teach intelligent design without calling it intelligent design," biologist Kenneth Miller, of Brown University in Rhode Island, told the BBC News website.

Dr Miller, an expert witness in the Dover School case, added: "The advocates of intelligent design and creationism have tried to repackage their criticisms, saying they want to teach the evidence for evolution and the evidence against evolution."

However, Mark Gihring, a teacher from Missouri sympathetic to intelligent design, told the BBC: "I think if we look at where the empirical scientific evidence leads us, it leads us towards intelligent design.

"[Intelligent design] ultimately takes us back to why we're here and the value of life... if an individual doesn't have a reason for being, they might carry themselves in a way that is ultimately destructive for society."

Economic risk

The decentralised US education system ensures that intelligent design will remain an issue in the classroom regardless of the decision in the Dover case.

"I think as a legal strategy, intelligent design is dead. That does not mean intelligent design as a social movement is dead," said Ms Scott.

"This is an idea that has real legs and it's going to be around for a long time. It will, however, evolve."

Among the most high-profile champions of intelligent design is US President George W Bush, who has said schools should make students aware of the concept.

But Mr Omenn warned that teaching intelligent design will deprive students of a proper education, ultimately harming the US economy.

"At a time when fewer US students are heading into science, baby boomer scientists are retiring in growing numbers and international students are returning home to work, America can ill afford the time and tax-payer dollars debating the facts of evolution," he said. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/4731360.stm

Published: 2006/02/20 10:54:16 GMT

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To: nmh; Dimensio
Ayup, after all you didn't lie but simply misspoke.
181 posted on 02/20/2006 10:06:51 AM PST by BMCDA (If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
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To: The_Victor

Go ahead and increase your expectations. The only effect that will have is to increase your frustration. We're dealing with something that's stuck on "pretty much worthless". Changing expectations won't move it one bit. The answer is getting rid of teacher's unions and privatizing schools.

For what it's worth it's got my vote. But I don't see anything happening anytime soon.


182 posted on 02/20/2006 10:09:14 AM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: nmh

ALL prominent evolutionists are atheists.

Abusive and unsubstantiated assertion.

183 posted on 02/20/2006 10:10:40 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: nmh
//ALL prominent evolutionists are atheists. Lesser known evolutionists just try to hop on the coattails of the prominent ones//

It sure looks that way doesn't it?

Wolf
184 posted on 02/20/2006 10:12:31 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: furball4paws

I think I'll go get lunch. Anyone want to join me?

I know what you mean. Sounds good to me.

185 posted on 02/20/2006 10:12:43 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: thomaswest
....and Noah's Flood believers.
 

Kinda like THESE guys???
 
 

NIV Matthew 24:37-44
 37.  As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
 38.  For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
 39.  and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
 40.  Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
 41.  Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
 42.  "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.
 43.  But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.
 44.  So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
 
 
 
NIV Luke 17:26-30
 26.  "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
 27.  People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
 28.  "It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building.
 29.  But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
 30.  "It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.
 
 
 
NIV Hebrews 11:7
 7.  By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
 
 
 
NIV 1 Peter 3:18-22
 18.  For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,
 19.  through whom  also he went and preached to the spirits in prison
 20.  who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
 21.  and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
 22.  who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand--with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
 
 
 
NIV 2 Peter 2:4-9
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.

186 posted on 02/20/2006 10:12:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: ml1954; furball4paws

ModernMan and SeaLion placemarker


187 posted on 02/20/2006 10:15:15 AM PST by BMCDA (If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
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To: PatrickHenry
...it's much easier to study the world than it is to study God.

Ahha.......

188 posted on 02/20/2006 10:15:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: nmh

sorry I dont see it. Good luck.


189 posted on 02/20/2006 10:16:31 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: Dimensio
Is evolution currently being taught in such a way? If so, how?

Certainly there are cases where teachers ridicule those who do not fully accept evolution as the explanation for the origin of life. Once instance a Biology professor (Dini) at Texas Tech required students to completely disavow any belief that a creator was involved before he would offer a recommendation for a student for medical school. There is a belief among staunch evolutionists that if someone believes in any kind of intelligent design then that person is not fit to go on in fields of science and medicine. It is that kind of bigotry that is not only wrong but deters the advancement of science by disallowing opinions that questions theories that are accepted as scientific fact. A good theory should be able to stand challenges.

190 posted on 02/20/2006 10:16:47 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Dimensio; nmh

You told a lie once; so now NOTHING you ever say again is worthwhile.


191 posted on 02/20/2006 10:17:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: nmh
ALL prominent evolutionists are atheists

Is Simon Conway Morris "prominent"?

How about Theodosius Dobzhansky?

Or Asa Gray?

Richard Dawkins is atheist. I think S. J. Gould was. Any other biologists or paleontologists you can think of?

192 posted on 02/20/2006 10:17:35 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Elsie

"Berkinstock wearing"

speak fer yerself Elsie. ; )~


193 posted on 02/20/2006 10:17:46 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: furball4paws
Changing expectations won't move it one bit. The answer is getting rid of teacher's unions and privatizing schools.

That would certainly help our education system. But it galls me to shy away from teaching the truth, and teaching the basis of scientific thought just because it's hard and we don't expect teachers to do it right, or students to understand. Perhaps I'm unrealistically optimistic, but my experience with my own children is that high expectations begets high achievement.

194 posted on 02/20/2006 10:18:42 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Vaquero
I just dont see him in the ramblings of the primitive people who penned the words.

We shouldn't be so smug.

I just imagine that in 4006, we will look a bit 'primitive' to those folks looking back at us!

195 posted on 02/20/2006 10:21:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Virginia-American

Although I often read Gould before his passing when he wrote in the AMNH publication (and I also watched him when he was on NOVA etc.). I like his stuff, but he was a RED. That does not necessarily eclipse his science, he was who he was. I enjoyed his science but rejected his politics.


196 posted on 02/20/2006 10:22:42 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: ml1954; PatrickHenry
ALL prominent evolutionists are atheists. Abusive and unsubstantiated assertion.

Pat; didn't we have a breakdown of just where the E's and C's fit on a theological rating?

Seems like we took an online survey last year... IIRC.

197 posted on 02/20/2006 10:23:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
I just imagine that in 4006, we will look a bit 'primitive' to those folks looking back at us! ABSOLUTELY....its called Evolution. Thanks for the help.
198 posted on 02/20/2006 10:24:21 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: Elsie
//I just imagine that in 4006, we will look a bit 'primitive' to those folks looking back at us//

If we have not done ourselves in by then
199 posted on 02/20/2006 10:24:30 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Vaquero

You missed the juxaposition:

Berkie's vs SUV's


200 posted on 02/20/2006 10:25:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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